I bought a PHB from CamaroGuy22.

Without writing a novel I'll try to sum it up quickly....

I sent payment including shipping charges, he recieved payment. Item shipped via FedEx, sat at FedEx for nearly 3 weeks and was returned to him. After lots of hastle, I just wanted to move on and get a refund. He denied that. He demanded I send him another $12 to reship it (with any carrier I'd like) or consider my $81 lost, so I agreed and told him ship it USPS to my P.O. Box. He then tells me he will not ship USPS. So I made arrangements for the item to ship UPS and I finally recieved it.

Now the real problem (as if 6 weeks of hastle wasn't enough)....

Long before I sent the original payment, I asked him to get me a few pics of the PHB and he said this:

What I received was a black adjustable PHB... indeed it was. Half of the shaft is spray painted black, the other half appears to have been scuffed in preparation for paint. One of the grease fittings doesn't work, and there's rust all inside the PHB and the threads of the adjustment bolt. I had to put it in my vise and use channel-locks just to get the rust to break loose.

I wont buy from him again, and this is merely my informational thread to those of you intersted in buying from him.

 

I have been a member of this site for over three years, in that time frame I have been involved in over 100+ transactions with nothing but positive to say about me.

This is absolutely rediculous.

The item description in the for sale ad is:

UMI Tubular Panhard Rod Powdercoated Red - 65$ Plus shipping

I never described the item as quoted above.

I sent out this item via fedex on 8/30/06 and provided the buyer with fedex tracking.


From : JSkeet
To :
Date : 2006-09-15 07:23
Title : Re: Panhard Rod

I was just letting you know I have been watching the panhard bar via shipping number (thanks for including it) and for whatever reason it sat here at the local FedEx for like 2 weeks

After contacting fedex I was found out that the buyer ignored notifications telling him to pickup the item at the fedex center. Common sense would tell you that something is shady with watching an item for two weeks and not bother to mention anything to me until it is returned.


The buyer then accused me of having something to do with the package being returned to me. (Take a second to think about this, In his mind he belives I would ship the package to him, then supply a tracking number, then bet on the chance he ignores notifications for several weeks, and some how myseteriously call fedex and have them deliver back the package to me...mind you that he has tracking for and can see every move)


The buyer then assumed I would pay for shipping back to him. There is no reason I am responsible for the buyers inabilty to pick up the package that was promptly shipped to him so I declined such a thing.

The buyer then sends me this message:


"Would I be a complete jerk to ask for the money back?

I mean... hate to bail on you, but given the situation i'm in a tough spot. I'll then have $93 invested in a PHB that really isn't what I was looking for anyway. I jumped the gun and got this without doing the research I should've. I actually need a rod-end adjustable phb, SCCA is in the near future. I've found them for $140 brand new plus $15 shipping... let me know something.


thanks,

John"


If you connect the dots...the buyer does not pick up the package for several weeks, and fails to notify me of any problem till it is aparant to him that the package is being sent back to me...sure sounds like the buyer changed his mind about wanting the item and now trying to weasel his way out of the transaction.


I agree to offering a refund, minus the original shipping costs, and money order, postage of the refund. Why should I be responsible and pay out of my pocket for somebody who wants to play games?

Then JSkeet decides to develop an enormous atttidue and send me many ignorant PM's. At this time I notify JSkeet that a refund will no longer be offered, as I have done nothing wrong, a refund is nothing but a nice favor, and since he continues to be nasty I am not going to jump thru hoops for him and that he will need to pay the shipping back for the bar.

JSkeet then threatened commiting several federal felonies which have been reported to the proper authorities. (If the moderators of this web forum wish to take action against his threats I will be more then glad to supply the documentation necessary)

After threatening me and my family he then sends me this message:

"Please ship the item through UPS and i'll send you $12 before or after shipping, whatever the hell you want."


I ask for a money order to be sent since that is the most secure method, he then sends me cash the next day. Then messages me telling me to send it via USPS. I declined sending it USPS as we agreed on UPS. USPS is twice as expensive to ship and once again trying to take money out of my pocket for his mistakes. This person has tried everything possible to make this difficult.

Despite all of this insanity, I still went out of my way and shipped the panhard bar at UPS instead of fedex as per the buyers request. The only reason is I never wanted to hear from this guy again, or continue this drama, I figured the federal government can follow up on him and leave it at that.

I provided tracking again. Now he is complaining about the condition of the item? This is absurd. Seems to me that this bad apple is out to smear dirt on my good name that has taken years to gain the respect I have on this board. I am not sure what this individual has done to the item since receiving it, but it was surely not sent with any of the above problems. It functions perfectly fine. I have two witnesses who phsyically saw me put this bar in the box and its condition.

 

Does either of you have photos of the item?

 

ive purchased from camaroguy22 and had no problems at all. and it was from the same list of thing that this guy bought from. camaroguy is deffianatly a a++ seller

 

Thank you!

For any of you interested in my sale history:

http://web.camaross.com/forums/searc...archid=1237609

Feel free to review all of those for sale threads. Might want to take a special look at the parting out 93 Z28 thread where I have sold a boatload of parts from with no complaints.


This is my trader feedback on LS1tech: (For some reason people on camaroz28.com do not use the feedback ability often)

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/traderratings.php?u=58393



I had a conversation with my father who was shocked to hear of any complaints from the panhard rod. He tested out the grease fittings and the adjustment bolt before I put it in the box. There was no black paint on the panhard rod when sent...he and my friend confirmed this. Can somebody tell me why I would prep a powdercoated piece for paint? Why would I shoot black spray paint on a red powdercoated rod? Seems a little rediculous. On top of that a panhard rod is a suspension piece that goes underneath the car and is out of sight, ask yourself why would this even matter??? Let alone it being false. JSkeet you might want to take a trip to ace hardware and buy yourself some paint to back up your claim

The world is full of scumbags who pray on good and upstanding people. I finally had the unfortunate luck of running into this one.

Now whenever the doorbell rings my family is scared of it being a dangerous package...as threatened by Jskeet. Personally I find it rediculous and un-American to threaten such a thing towards another human being. After 9-11 and having our brothers and sisters go over to Iraq and elsewhere to fight terrorism, we have punk low lifes domestically threatening to send dangerous packages thru the mail.

 

He's a good dude!!! Although I couldn't get him to cut me a deal on his carpet, I did get some killer speakers!!!! Thanks

 

i'll get pics of it ASAP. I've already wire wheeled and anti-seized the bolt and inner threads so that's out of the question. Only thing a photo will prove is that this thing has been spray painted (and someone did a real bang-up job at it).


CamaroGuy22 - in your first reply you state:
"The item description in the for sale ad is:

UMI Tubular Rear Lower Control Arms Powdercoated Red - 65$ Plus shipping"

This was for an Adjustable PHB that was supposed to be black powdercoated.... are you even paying attention?

 

The UMI Panhard was never black powdercoated, it is RED powdercoated. The lakewood panhard that jay127 purchased was black powdercoated. There is nothing wrong with the panhard rod you received. You purchased the UMI panhard. There is no rust on the panhard rod now because there never was ANY RUST period. It was never prepped for paint, never painted. You claims are completley false and make no sense at all. There is no reason to put any paint on a "Brilliant Durable Powder Coat Finish" as UMI describes it. You failed at a poor attempt of throwing dirt on my good name.

As stated earlier:

"There was no black paint on the panhard rod when sent...he and my friend confirmed this. Can somebody tell me why I would prep a powdercoated piece for paint? Why would I shoot black spray paint on a red powdercoated rod? Seems a little rediculous. On top of that a panhard rod is a suspension piece that goes underneath the car and is out of sight, ask yourself why would this even matter??? Let alone it being false. JSkeet you might want to take a trip to ace hardware and buy yourself some paint to back up your claim"

 

at this point, I dont care what you say or think. Truth be told, like I told you after 2 weeks of not recieving it, I dont even want the damn thing. I chose a different route of mods with my car and I've already got a buyer for this poor excuse of a panhard bar you sent me.

The fact that your replies are the size of average novels indicates you're really trying to cover this up. That's fine with me, people will still read this, and they can decided whether they want to RISK buying from you or not, I SUGGEST NOT, but it's their final decision that will determine how many more sales you have here.

That being said, I'd like to restate that you were a complete pain in the *** after the first transaction was sent and the product never arrived. Up until that point, you were an *average* seller, you were pretty cocky in your replied when I was curious about the condition, telling me, "There's absolutely no difference between this and a brand new panhard bar".

And you question my intent for not going to the FedEx location when it sat there for over 2 weeks? Try finding an address or a phone number for the Independence, KY FedEx... I looked for about 30 minutes one afternoon with NO LUCK AT ALL. If that wasn't enough of a challenge, I work full time, first shift, and go to school 6 days a week on top of that, not a whole lot of time available for driving to a carrier and doing their work for them.



To sum it all up, if you're reading this thread because you're considering buying from CamaroGuy22, just don't do it. Buy new and save yourself the hastle of him playing games with your money, giving you excuses, and doing a complete 180 in the middle of the transaction and going from Mr. Nice Guy to Mr. Completely Ignorant-No Business Ethics-Hardass Wanna Be.

 

Now you are just personally attacking me with no background. As stated earlier you were reported for your obscene threat, and should be banned from this website. You made rediculous claims that were totally untrue.


The item was in great condition when you received it...now how would you have a buyer for the item currently if the item was in such horrible condition with all the claims you made????????

The fact of my reputation, feedback history and other members posts in this thread speaks for itself.

You chose not to pick up the item because as you stated you did not want it anymore and expected me to go along with your game. After threatening me, badgering me, and now trying to tarnish my name unsuccesfully you need to be booted off of this website.

 

The "threat" I made was in an instant message conversation and all I said was, "if a package arrives for you in the next 24 hours, throw it away" I made this statement after we had a 30 minute IM conversation and we were both being genuinely nice to each other. I pose no harm here, nor anywhere.

I chose to not pick the item up because I couldn't find the damn location!!! That's all there is to that.

Your reputation and feedback mean nothing to me, this thread reaching potential buyer's eyes means the world.

To quote my boss, "You can have 1,000 'at-aboys but just remember, one mistake erases all those 'at-aboys."

My job here is done.

 

Glad to see you just admited to the threat, this conversation will be turned over as well as even more evidence. When I called my local field office, they did not find any part of it humorous. Neither did me or my family.

 

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