I guess that's my question, why/how do we know that the IRS in question is exactly that?

 

Look under the rear of a CTSv. See what has under the hood now...and what it'll have under the hood in the next few years. LS6, LS2, LS?......

 

OK, I get it now. I thought I vaugely remembered the CTSv got rear suspension upgrades like halfshafts, etc., and was assuming those upgrades would increase costs substantially. Maybe I was just making that up.

So the CTS IRS is only marginally more expensive than the colorado axle? Although I find that hard to believe on an intuitive level, I can't doubt the source since I sure don't have one of my own. Maybe Darth has been right about this cost thing all along, LOL.

 

thats what i wanna know.

 

Here's some clue to the Colorado axle's strength:

http://www.fourwheeler.com/roadtests/129_0403_chev/

AAM-8in. rear axles.
Locker differential.

I'll see if I can dig anything else up. I found this one with Google.

 

Damn strait I wish i was a bean counter at GM, i bet they all are gunna have 5 houses in the bahamas after this gm crisis the way they keep scamming.

How about this, DUMP the SSR, nobody wants it and its a useless platform. Its not a truck nor a 50's hotrod. Its an abomination.
Get rid of GEO! Well, the tracker and the prism need to go. The Aveo is alright but still needs work. I thought saturn was the new honda so let them have the cheap models. Chevy doesnt need a range of vehicles from geo metro to z06 vette.
Can the suburban, hate to say it but when ford kills the excursion there really wont be much of a need for a burban. The tahoe is pleanty big.
Axe all those safarie's vans etc.
Axe the saturn SUV it looks terrible (vue i think its called?)

If they canned most of the vehicles listed above then they would have more then enough dough and time to build alot of quality cars/trucks. The above was just a broad listing obviously more would go into it on the thoughts of market buyers etc, but from what i have seen the trend is shifting back to v8 rwd with DOD as well as a smaller Sport compact segment. I say give the sport compacts another 5 years and this thing will die out. Gm need to start being creative to gain customers not cut angles. THAT IS WHAT GIVES THEM A BAD REP IN THE FIST PLACE! Will they never learn?

 

Its this kind of crap that gives GM a bad name. They may turn more of a profit, but this really cheapens there image. Why do we constantly settle for "just good enough?" Just good enough to compete with the Mustang is not enough for me, there are more alternatives out there. I am in a situation right now that when the new Camaro comes out, I would be one of the lucky ones in a perfect financial position to buy it. I would think my opinion on this matters to some degree. GM, make your products stand out, not just be good enough.

If a new Camaro comes out with a solid rear, I will take my business elsewhere.

 

I don't understand why everybody has to hate on the McPherson front strut setup. BMW has been using this setup for years, and all their cars have amazing handling. Even the new $90,000 7-series uses McPherson struts, and the auto rags claim its the best handling full size luxury sedan.

 

Read Scott's full response to the LA TImes G6 story....there's a damning passage about struts in there.....

 

Just my .02. After reading this news I can say one thing. Gm is in no danger of........


GETTING MY MONEY!




Live axle...how could they ever consider this in the 21st century. Whats next new for 2010 Chevrolet Donkey and cart or the Cadillac horse and buggy and the GMC HD Ox with cart.

Ive read through some other threads before I posted this and some people are saying the Camaro is not supposed to be a world class car, the Mustang has a live rear axle, just wait and see this Camaro will be awsome. This is all bull-****!!! You guys give up to dam easy.

Thank god people like Charlie, Doug and a few others are around that a very passionate about the Camaro. Maybe they will have some type of an impact on the situation.

If General Motors is to survive ALL OF THEIR VEHICLES NEED TO BE WORLD CLASS! The Mustang has a live rear axle and is selling well. Beacuse they have a monopoly! What do you think happend to all those F-body buyers. Ford is laughing all the way to the bank. Another brilliant idea was the cancellation of the b-body. Man these bean counters are awsome!!! I think if we wait and see what the new live axle Camaro will be like, it will be too late.

 

Wow...there's so much speculation here that I think my SVT just went up in value....

Something was mentioned ealier of a Mustang handling better than a GTO...? Having driven neither of the cars, I can only rely on auto rag comparos and every single comparo I've read, with the C&D '05 GTO vs. '05 GT being the most recent, the GTO has always been awarded as being the better handling car. To boot, unless I'm mistaken, the GTO is riding on a relatively dated chassis.

Hrrrm....this IRS debate is more of a pissing match given the lack of known facts (for most of us at least).

I'm just going to sit back and wait for a tangible product, then I'll decide.

 

SSR is on the TrailBlazer EXT platform, it will only be around as long as the EXT. A lighter Fixed roof version for $33K would kick *** and sell light hot cake. It would be faster than the lightning and offer auto & manual transmissions.


GEO has been dead for a long time


Suburban is the oldest name plate in America, killing it would be almost like killing the Vette. Suburbans are big profit makers and are selling better than they ever have since they came out in 1935. Why would you want to kill a cash cow??


They are dead after 2005, all the tooling was paid for on them, so if they are selling why not keep making them GM, like any business is goal is to make money.

I agree with what you say here other than the compact thing, If gas prices stay were they are then compacts will get more popular. Look at Europe, lux compacts might be a new trend.

 

I'm not gonna split hairs over this just as long as there are NO leaf springs and the axle itself is a durable unit. I especially won't split hairs if they get the exterior, interior, performance, and pricing right. Why am i not splitting hairs? Ride quality isn't my priority in a car like camaro (new mustang has live as well but rides fine for what it is), and that's the only real plus of the IRS system. The extra weight saved and the live axle's ability to get a bit more power down to the ground are small plus's. That and i hate axle hop, a trait some not so well designed IRS's have. In the end, i don't see it as a total loss/dissapointment as long as the overall package delivers. Media will probably have a field day with it, but what's new? Corvette has been ripped apart by the foriegn press for the use of transverse leaf spring in the rear over traditional coil-overs, and the media has long painted GM's pushrod v8 engines as lacking in the tech department and old-tech even though it is a throughly modern world class engine. Let them say what they want to say. I doubt an IRS would have made them more receptive to camaro anyways.

But the 150-200 bucks mentioned it'd add to the car over a live axle is certainly nothing when you consider some options like XM radio go for 300+ bucks. You could add 150-200 bucks ontop of MSRP and none would notice. $1,000+ is noticable, but 150-220 bucks is chumps change. Going back to the pricing and certain options, it is ironic. Ford is worried about adding a 300-500 dollar IRS option to the Mustang, but they'll make a 1,000+ watt $1,300 high-end audio system available as an option. Likewise here with GM.

 

You're right on the GTO riding on a relatively dated chassis. As for handling between it and mustang GT, i don't know what rag comparo you have in mind. I've only seen one and it was the opposite, and according to what they said, there was quite a noticable difference between the two in handling manners and feel and it favored the GT.

 

Not really a bad thing. That old "3rd" gen would typically outhandle any new "4th" gen...