These are the mustang prices (according to Ford.com ) Will the Camaro be close to these?
I know these are current mustang prices, but you know what I mean.

Base= $18,775
Base Convt= $24,510
V8= $24,300
V8 Convt= $28,640

 

That's the current model, not the 05.

But as far as comparing the Sn95 to 4th gens, the 4th gens came short on the standard equipment list, forcing you to get options, which in turn priced them a bit more than most comparably equipped mustangs. Ex: There's a nice price gap between comparably equipped v6 mustangs and v6 camaro's.

With IRS, SLA front, a 350+hp Ls2, T56, decent interior, a decent list of standard equipment, etc... i think the next z28 might cost a bit more (not too much) than a live axle, strut suspension, Tremec 3650 eqipped Mustang GT. We don't know at this stage seeing as how we know little about either cars official pricing or the goodies on a 5th gen, but there's the possibility.

 

The Camaro has usually always been more expensive. I doubt that will change.

 

The one thing the next Camaro has going for it is the cost will be spread around a lot more on other Gm Zeta Car lines than the Mustang. The mustang will also share parts to keep the cost down but not quite like GM will do with their next rear-wheel drive platforms. So hopefully if done right the Camaro should be able to compete in the price wars.

 

Lets hope, because I like the mustang prices, just not the car. I always told my self that I would never buy a car brand new off the lot, but if the numbers look like that, I might be temded to.

 

You can easily knock off $3000-$4000 off those sticker prices on the 04 Stangs because of incentives and discounts ( Base= $18,775,Base Convt= $24,510, V8= $24,300,V8 Convt= $28,640)

Im assuming the the 05 Stangs will most likely cost about a $1000.00 more then the 04 Mustang (current sticker price before incentives) and they will have more options that will put the real-world price even more expensive.

So its very possible that a 2005 Stang could actually cost $5000 dollar more then the heavily discounted 04 Stang they will be replacing.

 

anyone find it odd that the Camaro, that for 35 years was on its own unique chassis and the Mustang always used a modded sedan chassis, and now its vise versa? I know the Mustangs chassis is based off DEW, but I heard they changed so much that its basicly its own chassis. I think that the Camaro will have a much larger, and better parts bin to draw from, but it will keep price down to where it can be equal to the Mustang.

 

Where are you guys getting this from?
I posted months ago that there will be over 10 US-domestic models (Ford and Mazda) based on the DEW platform by 2006.
So how do you guys figure the (yet unseen, unreleased, unfinished, and unstudied) Camaro will have a "larger parts bin" to draw from or have it's cost spread across "a lot more on other Zeta lines"?

C'mon guys... we don't even know what the final car will look like or have powering it yet. Isn't it a little premature to be making statements like this?

For heaven's sake... the Mustang will be sharing platform with cars like the T-bird, Lincoln LS, Mazda 6, and other popular units, as well as the yet unreleased cars like Cougar and Mazda's new upcoming RWD sedan. And that doesn't include Mustang's own 170k units on that platform.

Not flaming, just asking us all to please keep things in perspective here. I certainly wouldn't bank on some kind of platform-sharing situation to give a future Camaro some huge price advantage over the upcoming Mustang - that's all I'm trying to say.

 

ah... you talk as if Ford confirmed more cars based off the Mustang chassis. The Mazda 6 based off the DEW? What? This is news to me, and since Ford is using the Mazda 6 for a sedan for every single division, what does that have to do with the Mustang? Mazda 6= FWD, Mustang=RWD.
The Mustangs chassis, from what I read, is very different from the DEW platform that its almost a seperate chassis.
Zeta IS made for a 6spd auto and manual, along with many power plants, not to mention who will be sharing the Zeta chassis. Not only here in the US, but in Oz and Europe. There is as much speculation as to whom is sharing the DEW platform in the future as there is who will share Zeta? But I hear more news and and more models base off Zeta, and news is it is coming to america. Its not like they are just going to build 1, 100k unit car... they are gunna build Buicks, Pontiacs and Chevy's off this chassis when it comes here. I have heard no news of a new DEW car. I heard the Tbird is dying off, and the LS is getting a face lift, but it doesnt sell like the CTS does. Only new cars I hear of from ford are the 500 clones and the Mazda 6 clones.

We know that the Camaro or whatever chevy coupe is in the works, and we know that it will use Zeta. We know for sure that Holden will use this same chassis, and will use GenIV small blocks with HF and HV V6's, along with a 6spd auto and manual(see Velite).

Like I said, the Mustang is basicly on its own chassis with its own set up, and its own parts. The Mustang is larger, wider, longer, and taller then the DEW cars. What other car uses the 4.6? What other car uses the live axle? As of right now, there is no sister car for the Mustang, and there doesnt look like there will be. There are rumors of a Cougar coming, but who knows.
The parts bin for Zeta will be much larger then the one the Mustang draws from. Not only here in the US, but in the world.

 

 

Mustang and the Mazda 6 are both assembled at Flat Rock, but they are on different platforms. There will be "sister" cars of the S197, some with 2 doors and some with 4. Maybe even a crossover thrown in...

And to the DEW98 comments...it and Zeta are basically mirror images in use, or they will be in by 2010.

 

1st & 2nd gen Camaros shared it's floorpan with the Chevy Nova, and the 3rd & 4th gen's structure starting point was the Chevrolet Monza. Virtually identical to Mustangs which had their chassis based on Falcons, Mavericks, Fairmonts, and now the Lincoln LS. The next Camaro's starting point will be a Buick sedan.

Of course each car was it's own chassis, since beyond the floorpan and front end inner structure, none of the cars shared anything structurally with the sedans and economy cars they were based on. That's why they were so cheap.

Though the 3rd gen evolved from the Monza, and it was essentially it's own chassis, and handled better than anything with 4 seats, were by no means cheap to buy. Camaros throughout most of the 80s (for those of us old enough to remember) were [i]EXPENSIVE[i]!!! Mid level Camaros cost as much as LOADED Mustangs. Z28s (which by the way, were slower than Mustangs) had a base price of over $10,000 in 1982!! Base 4 cylinder Camaros started at just over $8,000!

As a point of reference, Mustang GTs started at $8,300, a V8 Caprice Classic started around $8,500, Corvettes started at $18,000, and the median wage was $15,000 (it's about $32,000 today).


As for GM's Zeta and Ford's D2C ([b]not DEW...that's the LS & Thunderbird ), both will be widely used by the end of the decade. Ford has mentioned this quite a few times. It's a given the next Falcon will be based on it. Lincoln has at least 2 cars in the pipeline that will be based on it, the next Thunderbird will use this chassis, and both Ford and Mercury seem to be working on some type of sedan based on D2C. GM may make more Zeta based cars, but GM is about twice the size of Ford too.

Though Ford is roughly half the size of GM, they have a tendancy to make more money per car, despite the fact Ford also tends to spend more money than they need to making the car (better contractor deals & lower labor & benefit costs?).

Ford's car sales have dropped the past quarter. Despite the supposed increase in cost of the F150 and their modular engines, they are outearning GM 2 to 1 currently. The 2005 Mustang once the development is paid off (likely within a year and a half) is going to be CHEAPER to build than the old SN95 Mustang despite having better quality materials and construction, for a multitude of reasons. Two huge ones are: Mustang won't have it's own plant anymore (see: f-body's Ste. Therese plant), and it will take fewer people to put it together. It also took far less money to create the new Mustang than it will a new Camaro because most all of the chassis came from the DEW which has been paid for a few times over by Jaguar, Thunderbird, and Lincoln sales.

 

YEAH!
What they said...

 

How many Zeta's has GM confirmed?
Not even one specifically for NA yet. Sure we all know the rumors and speculation...but how many have been actually, officially confirmed?
ZERO.

As far as DC2, we've got a couple hundred thousand Mustangs coming per year, and as many other rumored DC2 cars as rumored Zeta cars.

 

Thats what Im trying to say. There is as much speculation as to what Fords will use the D2C chassis as how many GM cars will use Zeta here in the US. But based on all this info, there sounds as if there will be more Zeta cars then D2C cars, here in the NA and the world.
Will the Ford Falcon use the live axle? I would think that it would get a IRS unit that will end up under some super-stang.

But let me get this right... the Mazda 6 will merge with the Mustang? Explain?