Wii Sensor Inventor Bets Big On Homebrew Ethanol
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If you don't denature the ethanol with gasoline, then it's liquor, and you'll need to pay the appropriate state and federal taxes on it or the ATF will come calling.
If you do denature it with at least 4% gasoline, and then run it on a public road, then it's motor fuel and you need to pay the appropriate state and federal taxes on it or the DOT will come calling.
If you do denature it with at least 4% gasoline, and then run it on a public road, then it's motor fuel and you need to pay the appropriate state and federal taxes on it or the DOT will come calling.
Here, here! Let's start a modern day version of the Boston Tea Party and dress-up like arab shieks and crude dump oil into the ocean... who's with me!?!
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...although it's looking like the American populace isn't being represented so much as lobbyists.
At any rate, I hope this homebrew stuff becomes economically feasable.
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http://bioenergy.ornl.gov/papers/mis...s-profile.html
Read that link, specifically where it talks about how you can harvest switch grass once or twice in a year for fuel concerns. Then if you do the math I think it's something like the surface area of texas. Also you need to consider the fact that ethanol pollutes too and people like to overlook that.
So we could plant a whole ton of switch grass, see a marginal return, and keep polluting. Not a good alternative to me. I used to be very big into the possibility of cellulosic ethanol but when you really break it down it becomes less appealing no matter the source.
Oh, and you can't use herbicide to keep other weeds out of switch grass fields.
Read that link, specifically where it talks about how you can harvest switch grass once or twice in a year for fuel concerns. Then if you do the math I think it's something like the surface area of texas. Also you need to consider the fact that ethanol pollutes too and people like to overlook that.
So we could plant a whole ton of switch grass, see a marginal return, and keep polluting. Not a good alternative to me. I used to be very big into the possibility of cellulosic ethanol but when you really break it down it becomes less appealing no matter the source.
Oh, and you can't use herbicide to keep other weeds out of switch grass fields.
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http://bioenergy.ornl.gov/papers/mis...s-profile.html
Read that link, specifically where it talks about how you can harvest switch grass once or twice in a year for fuel concerns. Then if you do the math I think it's something like the surface area of texas. Also you need to consider the fact that ethanol pollutes too and people like to overlook that.
So we could plant a whole ton of switch grass, see a marginal return, and keep polluting. Not a good alternative to me. I used to be very big into the possibility of cellulosic ethanol but when you really break it down it becomes less appealing no matter the source.
Oh, and you can't use herbicide to keep other weeds out of switch grass fields.
Read that link, specifically where it talks about how you can harvest switch grass once or twice in a year for fuel concerns. Then if you do the math I think it's something like the surface area of texas. Also you need to consider the fact that ethanol pollutes too and people like to overlook that.
So we could plant a whole ton of switch grass, see a marginal return, and keep polluting. Not a good alternative to me. I used to be very big into the possibility of cellulosic ethanol but when you really break it down it becomes less appealing no matter the source.
Oh, and you can't use herbicide to keep other weeds out of switch grass fields.
Ethanol has 80% less green house gases associated with it. I know it's not the answer to pollution yet, that solution is not even on the horizon. We are in economic distress right now and growing economies need energy. So, let's worry about surviving the next couple of years before we become third world ourselves.
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If we can even replace 30-40% of our gasoline use with ethanol that's a pretty big deal. That's 30-40% of our energy money staying in the US economy.
Some of the other methods of producing ethanol (basically any biomass at this point...like mentioned above wood chips etc.) I think could be our saving grace for the next 20 years or so until a major battery breakthrough (something that can net us 300-400 miles and charge in 10 minutes) or similar advance.
Some of the other methods of producing ethanol (basically any biomass at this point...like mentioned above wood chips etc.) I think could be our saving grace for the next 20 years or so until a major battery breakthrough (something that can net us 300-400 miles and charge in 10 minutes) or similar advance.
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How about biogas?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biogas
East Bay Municipal Utility District (EBMUD) is looking at turning California's garbage into energy...
http://link.brightcove.com/services/...ctid1531274249
Mr. Fusion isn't that far off...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biogas
East Bay Municipal Utility District (EBMUD) is looking at turning California's garbage into energy...
http://link.brightcove.com/services/...ctid1531274249
Mr. Fusion isn't that far off...
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That's the hope. Ethanol and other things are just to ease the pain while we get there.
Still, even when we have gobs of energy with fusion...for personal transportation we need to store that energy in something whether it be batteries or compressed air or some other storage medium.
Still, even when we have gobs of energy with fusion...for personal transportation we need to store that energy in something whether it be batteries or compressed air or some other storage medium.
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