Why is there rarely any speculation of the return of the T/A
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Originally posted by morb|d
I never really cared for Firebirds, so I naturally don't care if it returns or not.
I never really cared for Firebirds, so I naturally don't care if it returns or not.
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GuionM's posts give me hope. I wonder if he knows something and is hinting or if it is just a random possibility. I can't say why Firebirds haven't sold that well recently, but they sure are exciting cars. They are always sure to turn a head.
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Originally posted by DarthIROC
I saw that in an auto show, but it had a pontiac V8 in it, not a V6. It looked damned near identical to an early C3, except it had a steel body. It was gonna hit the market for like 40% less $ than the corvette cost and look almost the same. GM didnt want their flag-ship imposed upon so they pulled the plug. The one I saw was an prototype 1 of 2. I think it was a 67.
out of curiosity what does LaCrosse mean?
I saw that in an auto show, but it had a pontiac V8 in it, not a V6. It looked damned near identical to an early C3, except it had a steel body. It was gonna hit the market for like 40% less $ than the corvette cost and look almost the same. GM didnt want their flag-ship imposed upon so they pulled the plug. The one I saw was an prototype 1 of 2. I think it was a 67.
out of curiosity what does LaCrosse mean?
BUT, LaCrosse is also French-Canadian slang for a male who, should we say, frequently compulsively "gets ahold" of himself.
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Purchasing a camaro has never been an option for me when it comes to F-Bodies. Unless it was a late 60s model. Even then I would still rather its firebird counterpart.
After that, Trans Am please. Camaros by no means stir any interest in me....
To each their own.
After that, Trans Am please. Camaros by no means stir any interest in me....
To each their own.
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Purchasing a camaro has never been an option for me when it comes to F-Bodies. Unless it was a late 60s model. Even then I would still rather its firebird counterpart.
I agree. I would only prefer the '67-'69 Camaros over their Firebird counterparts. Since then Trans Ams all the way. I would never buy any 4th gen Camaro, they're way to bland. Only the 3rd gen IROCs and Z/28s did anything for me since the 1st gens.
I agree. I would only prefer the '67-'69 Camaros over their Firebird counterparts. Since then Trans Ams all the way. I would never buy any 4th gen Camaro, they're way to bland. Only the 3rd gen IROCs and Z/28s did anything for me since the 1st gens.
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Originally posted by Big_Z
GuionM's posts give me hope. I wonder if he knows something and is hinting or if it is just a random possibility. I can't say why Firebirds haven't sold that well recently, but they sure are exciting cars. They are always sure to turn a head.
GuionM's posts give me hope. I wonder if he knows something and is hinting or if it is just a random possibility. I can't say why Firebirds haven't sold that well recently, but they sure are exciting cars. They are always sure to turn a head.
Nonetheless, it seems that GM has at times done the F-body for Firebird, with Camaro's sales volume paying for it. GM's intrest in the Bird is disporportional to it's sales, excluding the 1970s (it kept performance alive while it doed everywhere else).
Also, if The 'Bird returns as a slightly altered Camaro, as in the past, it can very easily be a last minute, 11th hour decision. Since the 1st gen Firebird was done in 12 months (in an age where it typically took 5 years or so to create a car, I'm guessing it could be done in only a few months today.
Personally, and this is only my view so don't read into it, I still have a feeling GM may try to put the Firebird name on the Solstice.
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Personally, having the Solstice become the new Firebird doesn't feel right; My first thought after seeing the Solstice concept was that the old '60s Banshee concept would finally see the light of day... The Solstice can win without the Firebird name (besides, that would be misleading considering it's theoretical specs).
Changing gears a little, perhaps the hypothetical return of the Camaro only is simply a "consolidation of the line" strategy. Instead of having two GM divisions selling the same car*. Chevrolet will now have the only GM branded competitor to the Ford Mustang (*market-wise only, of course. we all know that the Camaro and Firebird are clearly different animals, with rather distinct characters, it's too bad sales weren't enough to keep them both going).
The Lutz declaration is personally disappointing, as I prefer the Firebird/Trans Am over the Camaro. That being said, with the GTO coming, the Camaro seems a logical choice to continue the tradition...
Camaro can remain true to F-Body heritage (while losing the 20 year old "flexi-frame" in favor of more modern underpinnings, please?), and with the GTO, Pontiac gets an upscale two-door coupe - something Trans Am just wasn't able do.
The good news would be that both divisions get to have a unique product for their respective markets; a pony car warrior, and a eurofighter - Both of them COUPES!
(the coupe is dead eh? There's a God afterall...)
Sure it's a rather big compromise for Firebird folks like myself, but for me this could very well be the winning strategy...
Changing gears a little, perhaps the hypothetical return of the Camaro only is simply a "consolidation of the line" strategy. Instead of having two GM divisions selling the same car*. Chevrolet will now have the only GM branded competitor to the Ford Mustang (*market-wise only, of course. we all know that the Camaro and Firebird are clearly different animals, with rather distinct characters, it's too bad sales weren't enough to keep them both going).
The Lutz declaration is personally disappointing, as I prefer the Firebird/Trans Am over the Camaro. That being said, with the GTO coming, the Camaro seems a logical choice to continue the tradition...
Camaro can remain true to F-Body heritage (while losing the 20 year old "flexi-frame" in favor of more modern underpinnings, please?), and with the GTO, Pontiac gets an upscale two-door coupe - something Trans Am just wasn't able do.
The good news would be that both divisions get to have a unique product for their respective markets; a pony car warrior, and a eurofighter - Both of them COUPES!
(the coupe is dead eh? There's a God afterall...)Sure it's a rather big compromise for Firebird folks like myself, but for me this could very well be the winning strategy...
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Camaro can remain true to F-Body heritage (while losing the 20 year old "flexi-frame" in favor of more modern underpinnings, please?), and with the GTO, Pontiac gets an upscale two-door coupe - something Trans Am just wasn't able do.
The good news would be that both divisions get to have a unique product for their respective markets; a pony car warrior, and a eurofighter - Both of them COUPES! (the coupe is dead eh? There's a God afterall...)
Sure it's a rather big compromise for Firebird folks like myself, but for me this could very well be the winning strategy...
The good news would be that both divisions get to have a unique product for their respective markets; a pony car warrior, and a eurofighter - Both of them COUPES! (the coupe is dead eh? There's a God afterall...)
Sure it's a rather big compromise for Firebird folks like myself, but for me this could very well be the winning strategy...
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Thinking about it the way I see it Firebird's only true hope is the Camaro. If a 5th gen comes out, and is on a platform people like, and it sells well; in conjuction with the inevitable op-roar of Trans Am phanatics GM may make another. Why wouldnt they then, you have people asking for it, and if the Camaro sells why wouldnt the Firebird.
However if the 5th gen Camaro doesnt sell I dont see much hope in the near future.
However if the 5th gen Camaro doesnt sell I dont see much hope in the near future.
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