Why I hate the new Mustang....
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Ditto....
Originally posted by Derek Smalls
the intent of the concept and production car will be to bring the car back in line of what it was and then strayed away from.ford got it right the first time and then moved in another direction,j mays wanted to bring it back and then evolve from there,like a porsche 911 or a jeep wrangler,from here on out,this is the shape of the mustang,if it's right,it's right,a '70 911 is different in detail from a '03 911,but the shape of the body,the shape of the doors,the headlights,how the taillights are laid out,it's basically the same or the same idea.this is what mays intended and i think it's great,a jeep will always look like a jeep,a 911 will never look like anything other than a 911 and from here on out a mustang will always look like a mustang,call it retro or whatever,but i simply call it a mustang.
the intent of the concept and production car will be to bring the car back in line of what it was and then strayed away from.ford got it right the first time and then moved in another direction,j mays wanted to bring it back and then evolve from there,like a porsche 911 or a jeep wrangler,from here on out,this is the shape of the mustang,if it's right,it's right,a '70 911 is different in detail from a '03 911,but the shape of the body,the shape of the doors,the headlights,how the taillights are laid out,it's basically the same or the same idea.this is what mays intended and i think it's great,a jeep will always look like a jeep,a 911 will never look like anything other than a 911 and from here on out a mustang will always look like a mustang,call it retro or whatever,but i simply call it a mustang.
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Originally posted by Derek Smalls
the intent of the concept and production car will be to bring the car back in line of what it was and then strayed away from.ford got it right the first time and then moved in another direction,j mays wanted to bring it back and then evolve from there,like a porsche 911 or a jeep wrangler,from here on out,this is the shape of the mustang,if it's right,it's right,a '70 911 is different in detail from a '03 911,but the shape of the body,the shape of the doors,the headlights,how the taillights are laid out,it's basically the same or the same idea.this is what mays intended and i think it's great,a jeep will always look like a jeep,a 911 will never look like anything other than a 911 and from here on out a mustang will always look like a mustang,call it retro or whatever,but i simply call it a mustang.
the intent of the concept and production car will be to bring the car back in line of what it was and then strayed away from.ford got it right the first time and then moved in another direction,j mays wanted to bring it back and then evolve from there,like a porsche 911 or a jeep wrangler,from here on out,this is the shape of the mustang,if it's right,it's right,a '70 911 is different in detail from a '03 911,but the shape of the body,the shape of the doors,the headlights,how the taillights are laid out,it's basically the same or the same idea.this is what mays intended and i think it's great,a jeep will always look like a jeep,a 911 will never look like anything other than a 911 and from here on out a mustang will always look like a mustang,call it retro or whatever,but i simply call it a mustang.
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Originally posted by formula79
...is the right direction for Ford to take the Mustang backwards?
...is the right direction for Ford to take the Mustang backwards?
Sure, the Mustang takes (steals) cues from the past, but the past is what makes the Mustang a Mustang. I like the analogy Derek Smalls used to the 911 Porsche. The current 911 bears a striking resemblence to the 911's of past decades. I don't hear many retro complaints from that car.
If you think the Mustang is retro, then the 911 must be the bottom of the barrel of the retro craze.
Last edited by Pentatonic; Feb 8, 2003 at 12:54 AM.
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I'm just going to come out and say it. THE MUSTANG LOOKS MODERN.
Just like the 911 analogy....a brand new 911 has a resemblance to '63 model. But park it next to any car...and there is no doubt that it is a completely modern car.
Same with the Mustang. Sure you can trace some elements to the '67 or 64 1/2 Mustang...but the new Mustang looks thoroughly modern. It's got the right proportions...it's got the right stance....these are things that make a car look new and contemporary. Heritage Mustang cues have been incorporated well, without it looking overtly retro.
They are going to sell like crazy.
Just like the 911 analogy....a brand new 911 has a resemblance to '63 model. But park it next to any car...and there is no doubt that it is a completely modern car.
Same with the Mustang. Sure you can trace some elements to the '67 or 64 1/2 Mustang...but the new Mustang looks thoroughly modern. It's got the right proportions...it's got the right stance....these are things that make a car look new and contemporary. Heritage Mustang cues have been incorporated well, without it looking overtly retro.
They are going to sell like crazy.
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Heres the thing about the 911 analogy. The car has been evolving since day one, it has never strayed from that and it does pick up new design cues with every redesign, even if they are not huge. The Mustang went on with little evolution after the 60's and went in a separate direction with each redesign. Now, Ford wants to make the car with extreamly strong simalarities to the 67' car. They want to jump back in the cars lineage. This is why it is retro and not evolutionary.
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The Mustang could be the most modern car to ever come out, yet some folks wouldn't like it. It could be the most retro thing to ever come out, yet some folks wouldn't like it.
Same thing with the F-body. Someone will always not like it.
FWIW...it must suck to hate an automobile.
Same thing with the F-body. Someone will always not like it.
FWIW...it must suck to hate an automobile.
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Originally posted by IZ28
Are we looking at the same car Z284?!
Are we looking at the same car Z284?!
The fastback roofline?
The Mustang side scoops?
The forward leaning grill shell?
These are classic Mustang themes....why wouldn't they use them?
I am as anti-retro as the next guy....but Ford pulled this one off.
Last edited by Z284ever; Feb 8, 2003 at 08:44 AM.
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Originally posted by SNEAKY NEIL
Heres the thing about the 911 analogy. The car has been evolving since day one, it has never strayed from that and it does pick up new design cues with every redesign, even if they are not huge. The Mustang went on with little evolution after the 60's and went in a separate direction with each redesign. Now, Ford wants to make the car with extreamly strong simalarities to the 67' car. They want to jump back in the cars lineage. This is why it is retro and not evolutionary.
Heres the thing about the 911 analogy. The car has been evolving since day one, it has never strayed from that and it does pick up new design cues with every redesign, even if they are not huge. The Mustang went on with little evolution after the 60's and went in a separate direction with each redesign. Now, Ford wants to make the car with extreamly strong simalarities to the 67' car. They want to jump back in the cars lineage. This is why it is retro and not evolutionary.
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Originally posted by Z284ever
I believe that we are. What makes it look not modern?
The fastback roofline?
The Mustang side scoops?
The forward leaning grill shell?
These are classic Mustang themes....why wouldn't they use them?
I am as anti-retro as the next guy....but Ford pulled this one off.
I believe that we are. What makes it look not modern?
The fastback roofline?
The Mustang side scoops?
The forward leaning grill shell?
These are classic Mustang themes....why wouldn't they use them?
I am as anti-retro as the next guy....but Ford pulled this one off.
Originally posted by Z28Wilson
Where do you see fox body Mustang in the '05?
I see this <http://mustangsandmore.50megs.com/TTommy1.jpg>, this <http://mustangsandmore.50megs.com/TTommy2.jpg>, and this <http://www.musclecarplanet.com/Histo...ngFSBK-RED.jpg>
And this: 70 shelby without the wing here is a 69 shelby <http://norskmustangclub.com/Bilder/DIV/69+shelby.jpg>
Where do you see fox body Mustang in the '05?
I see this <http://mustangsandmore.50megs.com/TTommy1.jpg>, this <http://mustangsandmore.50megs.com/TTommy2.jpg>, and this <http://www.musclecarplanet.com/Histo...ngFSBK-RED.jpg>
And this: 70 shelby without the wing here is a 69 shelby <http://norskmustangclub.com/Bilder/DIV/69+shelby.jpg>
Last edited by IZ28; Feb 8, 2003 at 09:11 AM.
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Originally posted by Bob Cosby
The Mustang could be the most modern car to ever come out, yet some folks wouldn't like it. It could be the most retro thing to ever come out, yet some folks wouldn't like it.
Same thing with the F-body. Someone will always not like it.
FWIW...it must suck to hate an automobile.
The Mustang could be the most modern car to ever come out, yet some folks wouldn't like it. It could be the most retro thing to ever come out, yet some folks wouldn't like it.
Same thing with the F-body. Someone will always not like it.
FWIW...it must suck to hate an automobile.
