YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT'S HUGE!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I'm with you on that.

BTW, all you people who feel that GTO is too big to be a Camaro should check this out:
Camaro vs GTO
length:193.5 vs 189.8
width:74.1 vs 72.5
height:51.2 vs 54.9
wheelbase:101.1 vs 109.8
track (f/r): 60.7/60.6 vs 61.8/62.1


GTO is SMALLER than Camaro in length & width.

It has a longer wheelbase (good) wider front & rear track (very good) and is over 3" taller (not as good).

 

I think what this highlights is the fact that a tall car tends to look too big and less sleek than a low-slung machine... brilliant observation on my part, huh?
My complaint with GTO is that much of the space in the rear seat is unnecessary in a ponycar and that the car is generally too heavy.

Lose 2-3 inches in the wheelbase (right at the rear seats) and make the car an inch or two shorter and we're in business.

The hallmarks for an F5 Camaro in my mind should be:
"Wheels to the corners, low and wide, smaller than a midsize, 2+2 seating, available big V8, potent V6 standard, available manual transmission, coupe, convertible, T-tops."

 

1st time I've ever heard of too much rear seat room.

The car does weigh about as much as a same sized Mustang Cobra, even though it's fully loaded, however.

 

My GTP has to much room in the rear end (by the way for a 2door yes it does) You have to stand up in order to get out.

 

Ah, I want as much rear seat room as possible. Cut the Monaro roof line down as well as sink the seating postion in it, and you have the basic set up of what Id like the 5th gen to be. If you want less back seat room, buy another 4th gen.

 

The Camaro has NEVER been a true four place coupe. The rear seats need to be "useable" for short trips, but not Cadillac sized. Besides, there's more room in the rear of a 4th gen than in a Mustang...

Let's not make it something it has never been...or wants to be for that matter. The Camaro does NOT need to be a sedan!

If you need "real" rear seats, but something else......I still want a sports car.

 

You've precisely put your finger on it PX.....it needs to be smaller than a mid-sized...the GTO is a mid-sized.


True, Guy...it's smaller. But that's not because the GTO is small...it's because the 4th gen is bigger than an H2.

 

That's exactly right, Doug. I'm not looking for sedan-type seating in a Camaro. I'm not looking for sedan-type anything in a Camaro. No sedan-type seating, no sedan-type exterior dimensions, no sedan-type height. There are other cars I can buy that fulfill those needs. Camaro does not need to be all things to all people. That formula would NOT make a Camaro. I'm not interested in a Camaro which is a RWD Monte Carlo.

I want Camaro to be a "pony car" again...not a restyled GTO.

 

But the 4th gen feels more claustrophobic. The lack of rear seat room is an illusion because of that rather large B pillar.

As for a true 4 place coupe, the rear seat of the 1st gen, illusion it may be, seemed pretty roomy. Not new GTO roomy, but roomy enough.


I had to look it up, but you're right!
An H2 is 189.9"! 3 1/2" shorter than a Camaro!

 

A rear quarter window....which we believe the 5th gen will have....will give the perception of greater roominess.

 

Well I guess im gunna be buying a GTO and not a Camaro. No way in hell am I gunna buy something of 4th gen interior dimension. If the Camaro uses the chassis of the GTO/Monaro, I hope that the interior is about the same size, while keeping a very slim and agressive figure. I think GM can pull it off. Have both a roomy, yet agressive car.
Its not that the Camaro has never been a true 4 place seater...its what it NEEDS to be. Adapt, evolove, change. You cannot bring out a Camaro that follows along the lines of the 4th gen.
Id love a low-slung sports car too....its called Corvette.

 

But the camaro has always been a cheaper more practical vette. It all depends on who you ask, some people here want it to come back for the samereason it came out in the first place, to beat the mustang. Other people want it to come back as the "poor mans corvette." Personally I would prefer another "low slung" sports car that mimicks the vette likr the camaro did in it's last years. But thats the key words "last years" GM has to make the car more user friendly. Thats just my opinion tho.

 

Well, look at it this way...the 4th gen is a large car with a small interior. There is lots of wasted real-estate on the 4th gen. It is realistic to believe that a substantially smaller car, with a much larger wheelbase, would have a substantially more useable interior.

 

I would expect that with the larger wheel base, there should be a GTO-like size interior. Anyone dig up the interior dimensions of the Velite?