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When did "over-hangs" become such a bad thing?

Old Oct 11, 2004 | 02:46 PM
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Re: When did "over-hangs" become such a bad thing?

Will you do that for '93 to '02 also?
Old Oct 11, 2004 | 02:47 PM
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Re: When did "over-hangs" become such a bad thing?

You might be able to say that, but it still did what it did regardless. Well, the Firebird too.
Old Oct 11, 2004 | 02:47 PM
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Re: When did "over-hangs" become such a bad thing?

Originally Posted by IZ28
You might be able to say that, but it still did what it did regardless. Well, the Firebird too.
No doubt, can't argue the production numbers.
Old Oct 11, 2004 | 02:51 PM
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Re: When did "over-hangs" become such a bad thing?

Originally Posted by Brangeta
Will you do that for '93 to '02 also?
I'd like to do/see a list for all Gens. Getting all of our competitor's other numbers is what would be needed, I just don't feel like doing it. Doing the 3rd Gen alone took long enough. But I do recall the 2nd Gens not doing as good against you know who. I think they outsold them combined only for a year or two in the later 70's.

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Old Oct 12, 2004 | 06:40 PM
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Re: When did "over-hangs" become such a bad thing?

That's not a real good point of reference. The leading edge of the door has to be roughly at the base of the windshield. As cars became more aerodynamic the base of the windshield got further and further forward so that the windshield could lay down at a steeper angle. This put the leading edge of the door further towards the front of the vehicle and therefore closer to the front wheel, even if nothing else changed. This is also why most cars' engines today are partially hidden under the windshield.
Astute observation and I'm not arguing, but to better illustrate what I was thinking, take into consideration the RWD cars redesigned in the mid seventies - full-size B-bodies and G-bodies in particular. I don't think windshield rake increased much from the earlier designs but front overhangs did in relation to the amount of fender behind the wheels.

Take the mid-eighties Monte Carlo SS (redesigned, or downsized for model year 78), for example, quite blocky and despite the aero nose (yes, I know the nose added some length but not all that much) weren't really all that rakish since they were fairly upright coupes. There is an undeniable overhang and little fender after the wheels. I'll grant you that 3rd gen Camaro windshields are probably more rakish than 2nd gen cars therefore reducing the distance between the wheelwell and door, but the front overhang still grew. And I also think this had somehing to do with safety, at the time crash standards for front bumpers increased to 5mph so in order to improve crash survivability, structure was added to absorb crash energy. Not a bad thing, all in all. Bumper standards in the US were relaxed at some point since then as 2.5 mph is the current standard, but it's still 5 mph in Canada - hence no new GTO (sob, sob, wimper) - yet.

FWD drive cars have had largish overhangs but I think that has to do with the packaging of the transversely mounted transaxle and engine not to mention the designed-in crush zones of the unibody structure.
Old Oct 12, 2004 | 06:43 PM
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Re: When did "over-hangs" become such a bad thing?

Originally posted by IZ28
Wrong. If 90 wasn't a half production year it might have been 8 out of 10 years combined and 6 for the Camaro alone.
Touche I stand corrected.... you are indeed the 3rd gen info god :-) But I was fairly sure Mustang outsold the twins moreso than your figures illustrate.
Old Oct 12, 2004 | 09:29 PM
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Re: When did "over-hangs" become such a bad thing?

Thats's OK.
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