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Old Feb 7, 2005 | 02:22 PM
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What if Zeta, as we know it......

What if Zeta as we know it is dead in North America...for a number of reasons....

And although the NA cars that would have been based on Zeta get delayed....what if the new architecture they get is Sigma?

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Old Feb 7, 2005 | 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Z284ever
What if Zeta as we know it is dead in North America...for a number of reasons....

And although the NA cars that would have been based on Zeta get delayed....the new architecture they get is Sigma.
That would be pretty frustrating, since Sigma has been around since MY2003, and these cars have been waiting for a supposedly cheaper alternative to Sigma (Zeta) to be cost effective.

If it all comes full circle, and they go on Sigma, they just wasted how many YEARS?!


What are the "number of reasons" you speak of?

Wouldn't Zeta NOT being used in North America effect the cost of Zeta in other parts of the world in a negative fashion do to a drastic drop in production numbers lost on the dropped North American Zeta cars?
Old Feb 7, 2005 | 02:28 PM
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One more thing, Sigma get a substantial re-engineering for '07.
Old Feb 7, 2005 | 02:29 PM
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One more thing, Sigma get a substantial re-engineering for '07.
OK, well, I suppose that changes things a bit then...

Why would they re-work a platform so fast (not that I am complaining about it)... trying to reduce manufacturing costs on the platform, I assume? If that is the case, though, you'd think it would have to be a SUBSTANTIAL cost savings to offset all the costs of R&D and tooling and such for the re-do.
Old Feb 7, 2005 | 02:31 PM
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I though Sigma was all about big $$$$

Wouldn't a Sigma Pontaic G8 (or what ever it may be called) basically be a CTSv for $20,000 less?

Originally Posted by Darth Xed
That would be pretty frustrating, since Sigma has been around since MY2003, and these cars have been waiting for a supposedly cheaper alternative to Sigma (Zeta) to be cost effective.

If it all comes full circle, and they go on Sigma, they just wasted how many YEARS?!
100% agree. I could have had a new Camaro in 2003 if that was the case
Old Feb 7, 2005 | 02:32 PM
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Re: What if Zeta, as we know it......

What would that mean for the Zeta coupe that this forum is really interested in?
Old Feb 7, 2005 | 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Z28x
I though Sigma was all about big $$$$

Wouldn't a Sigma Pontaic G8 (or what ever it may be called) basically be a CTSv for $20,000 less?
If they're going to keep pushing Caddy upwards, it needs to be on it's own platform - I agree with you here.

What if GM decided to pull a DCX here and use the old Sigma platform for the high volume cars while the new Sigma was Caddy exclusive?
Old Feb 7, 2005 | 03:18 PM
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da da da duuuuuuh!

GM is giving the soaps a run for their $$$$$ , geeeeez .
Old Feb 7, 2005 | 03:20 PM
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Is there a book or article that explains GM's process for bringing a project (car, chassis... etc) from nothing to production?
Old Feb 7, 2005 | 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Chuck!
Is there a book or article that explains GM's process for bringing a project (car, chassis... etc) from nothing to production?
probably, but it would take GM 20+ years to design, engineer, and print the book.
Old Feb 7, 2005 | 06:24 PM
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Re: What if Zeta, as we know it......

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OK, well, I suppose that changes things a bit then...

Why would they re-work a platform so fast (not that I am complaining about it)... trying to reduce manufacturing costs on the platform, I assume? If that is the case, though, you'd think it would have to be a SUBSTANTIAL cost savings to offset all the costs of R&D and tooling and such for the re-do.
It's not really for cost savings, this is a scheduled mid-cycle enhancement for CTS.....which will include some suspension revisions for Sigma.
Old Feb 7, 2005 | 08:13 PM
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Ok, I have also have some things for you to chew on.



What if "Zeta" is an evolution of "Sigma"?

What if GM is standardizing it's RWD platform for large & performance cars?

Isn't it curious that the new CTS debuts about the same time the "Zeta" is due in North America?

If Zeta can be lengthened or shortened, or even widened, isn't it curious that the new STS is a widened * lengthened CTS's "Sigma" chassis?

Isn't it curious that Holden has been using "Sigma" and NOT their "V" car as the starting point for Zeta development?

I'll shut up now before I get myself in trouble.
Old Feb 7, 2005 | 08:20 PM
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I though Sigma was all about big $$$$
Pure, unadulterated, disinformation.....propogated by some with a certain political agenda.
Old Feb 7, 2005 | 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Z284ever
Pure, unadulterated, disinformation.....propogated by some with a certain political agenda.
So a $21,000 Sigma car could still be profitable? (with the right options of course, HV V6 & manual tranny)
Old Feb 7, 2005 | 08:54 PM
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And what about the high cowl/firewall?



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