CTSV seems to be doing well at $51,200 plus mark ups.

 

This whole thing makes me think about what would happen if Dodge called the SRT-4 the Charger. Same complaints; a rebadged Neon (instead of a GP), no styling, minor changes from the slower model.

I liked the GP 2-door models. I owned a '95, as a matter of fact. The GTO's price, however, was about $10,000 over my price limit. Add insurance to that (no points, but "insurance points" at that great unappealable court with no trial), and there's no possible way I could have ever afforded a GTO.

Even if I had the money, though, I probably still would've went with the great cult of F. Now that I own one, I can't live without that styling.

 

I agree with Darth totally here. Most Pontiac dealers here in central florida have ONE on their showroom floor! ONE! Very hard to sell thousands of vehicles when you can find about 10 of them in a MAJOR metropolitan area. Of course the new Mustang and Vette are gonna sell, GM and Ford are gonna be dropping many models all over their dealerships. The GTO is a limited production car coming on a damn boat from another country for a few years and they just shipped the first ones out when, a couple months ago if that?

 

Uh..... who ever said the SRT-4 was going to be called the Charger??? I think you need to actually read the threads here. I'm not flaming you, but no one on this site ever said anything like that.

I suspect I misunderstood you, so forgive me if I have.

GTOs aren't intended for young buyers. Neither were Camaro SSs, Firebird WS6s, or Ford Mustang Cobras, all of which carry or carried the same $31-35,000 price tags.








Snorman, the GTO has been out just 3 months, so to slam it saying the 2004 model year is over already makes it seem you are simply eagar to see the car fail. Also, Australia runs their model year in a novel fashion: they go by the actual year.

GTO's contract is 18,000 annually, starting with the 2004 "model year". Hold your gunning till next December, then you can dance your gig or whatever it is you are itching to do if GTO sells that 6,000 cars you are boldly predicting, less than 90 days since it became available in dealer showrooms.

 

Missing fact: There was a major delay in shipping the first batches of GTOs to the US. I can't remember the reason.

Personal observation: I have yet to see one in person any where. The local dealer only has sold orders coming in-nothing for stock.

Conclusion: GTO will not fail.

 

That's funny...I don't recall saying any such thing.
I merely presented sales figures and stated the following...
...and...
Facts are facts. GTO has sold just under 1,100 units, interpret it as you will.
I pointed out that it would sell 6k units based on the current trend, I didn't "predict" anything. Maybe it'll sell more, maybe it'll sell less. I don't know how much it will sell and neither do you.
Just curious...because the Australians run their MY on the calender year, does that mean GM is doing the same with GTO. In that case, will they be selling '04's in December, several months into the traditional next model year? And how will that affect sales if there are any substantial changes in the '05?
S.

 

I would like to ask that those who wish to flame each other and bicker please take it to email. Ude-lose and Snorman please argue some where else. I would like to point out that Ude-lose is very defensive about vehicles assembled in Aus. I can understand where he is coming from, but it is not necessary to challenge everyone who posts something you do not like. Also Snorman I think you did bring up some valid facts but I am getting tired of hearing everyone complain about the GTO's looks. If you don't like it don't buy it. Also the General WILL sell all 18K easily. The GTO is a flagship. I know if I could afford it I would have a nice Blue Metallic 6-speed in my driveway. But hey I am broke, whatca gonna do?

Can't we all just get along?

 

You did. I wasn't implying that that was Dodge's plan, more a "what-if," is all. It kinda felt like that's what Pontiac did, in an analogy. And, yes, I know it's the Monaro, but it still looks like a GP.

 

I guess Ude- lose succeeded in one thing...he managed to convince people that I made comments I never made.
I've never commented negatively about the GTO looks. I personally like the understated look. As with any car, I can subjectively see room for improvement...but overall I think it's pretty smooth.
I've commented about its [supposed] higher level of quality, weight/performance, trunk and GM's marketing of the car.
In general, I like the car. It competes well with other sport coupes in its segment...but there is always room for improvement.

S.

 

No offense, but I am getting tired of people complaining about someones opinion on the looks of the GTO.

Thanks for the helpful advice. I will not buy one since you brought this up.If you have any other spectatular advice for me, please take it to e-mail, and do not clutter up this post any more.

 

This GTO arguement is that same damned one that comes up time after time on board after board. People...most of the comments here are just opinions. So let's just leave it at that. Snorman--I think the reason that ppl get defensive is because you are on many GM boards playing devil's advocate. Do you expect much less on a board called camaroz28.com or ls1.com? The data that you presented earlier was preliminary and quick to the draw. It did not take into account circumstances that affected GTO's arrival to dealerships and nasty dealer gouging...

 

I don't the '04 GTO will flop so much as NOT be the "gotta have revolutionary" RWD coupe that I thought it would be.

If GM wants to sell 18K a year, the current one will do fine once gouging stops. But I think the GTO will be outclassed by the '05 stang and GM needs to correct a couple of things to avoid that.

1) LS2 400hp (GTO has gotta outrun the '05 GT if it costs 10K more)
2) new VE chassis with the trunk usable again
3) hotter styling

Even 1 and 3 would be good enough for the '05 model, till the new chassis comes around.

 

Yeah, I was a little let down too. I guess I felt the hype too much. I just can't get over how much it weighs

 

Yeah, but a 400+hp 6.0 LS2 would make it feel a lot lighter.

 

Yeah, "Eye Appeal is Buy Appeal", people aren't going to get very excited over spending $32K+ on a "Sleeper"...even if a lot of us think it's cool. They want to make a statement, for that kind of money..
Give it another model year, some U.S. sheetmetal, and watch the sales then...we can't base it's success on the "Rush-Job" GTO we have now..
Exactly!...

Nah, most likely means a "lower priced, better looking", RWD Sports Car will get to market sooner... They're not going to let Ford reign in an "Open-Market" for long..