Thanks for the fast facts. My point was there are more economical cars out there in the gas department (certainly non-sports cars), and if the pricing trend continues 19/28 won't even be considered affordable. I don't think any of us want to see another crash to this new "muscle car" era like the '70s/80s.

 

19mpg.....ya maybe when your granny drives it.....im guessing i get about 14mpg on average

 

$2.51 for 91 in down town Oakland

Well since we get special cleaner-burning gas over here which is being shifted over from MTBE to ethenol. It gives gas companys an excuse to gouge us. This is all just BS!

 

I was watching CNN Headline News this afternoon and they had a shot from a gas station here in San Diego. Some station was charging $4.29 here for 91!!!!!!!!!

 

Heres to all the gas companies gouging us This guy in San Diego charging $4.29 gal must think that Algore is president and not George Bush because thats how much gas would be if he were pres. Noone would be driving then. Thankfully its only 1.65 gal here in NH on average and hope it doesnt go any higher.

 

around $1.65 - $1.70 for 87 octaner here in Western NC. add 10 cents for 89, 20 cents for 93.

 

lmao

 

Dude, I ain't gonna turn this into a Political Debate thread, because I vote both parties - I'm not partial to either, but you got your wires crossed-up big time on that one. In general, Dems cut defense spending and raise taxes to "fund the lifestyles of the poor", Reps are the gougers and eviro-killers who want to "keep the poor poor".

UNDERSTAND THIS CLEARLY...

VP Dic* Cheney reported over $36 million in income from his position as CEO of Halliburton Oil company in 2001 - he's still an active officer in the company despite his full-time job as VPOTUS.
Bush Sr. is on the B.O.D. for Halliburton Oil Co. in Texas and is whacking down cool $million$ every quarter too. (son is prez, could stop it but isn't, coincidence I guess)
Bush Jr. claims "no vested interest" in Oil companies right now, despite his $750,000 income from Halliburton Oil and personal portfolio which contains stock in more than 1 Texas-based oil company. (Not to mention his inheritance in Halliburton from Daddy should he pass it on to JEB, Neil, and Dubya.)
See for yourself...
Linky 1 Cheney made how much $ where?
LINKY 2 Cheney did business with Saddam?!?!
LINKY 3 - PLEASE, take 3 minutes, and read this biography (scroll down 1/2 page) of the man running our country. Especially the part about HIS oil company, Arbusto, and how it sold for profit while in BANKRUPTCY.(no oil connections? )
LINKY 4 - your highest appointees in Bush's Cabinet... and their oil company positions, including
Condy Rice - Defense Secretary - board of directors of Chevron Oil,
Donald Evans - Commerce Secretary - 940,000 options in Tom Brown Inc., a Denver-based oil company.
LINKY 5 - another very educational site revealing corporate links to our current administration - very noteworthy.

I could go on and on, but I think you get my point.

I recently read in Businessweek that 39% (not 100% certain on this number, it's been several months back) of the current Bush administration hold corporate option/positions in oil business - be they directors, corporate officers, large shareholders, or CEO's.

Do you think FOR ONE MOMENT that these folks are going to request an investigation or enact corrective action to reduce oil/gas prices and see their stock prices, bonuses, and dividends go down?!?!
Come on children, let's put our thinking caps on and...

AT LEAST Al Gore and Clinton DID enact a Congressional request for an Investigation by the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) into gas price-fixing back in 1996, and again in 2000. I'll wager you $100 right now that you will NEVER see the same with the current administration.
Here's a link to the 2000 announcement - read it all, but go down 8 paragraphs and read carefully.
Here's a link to the 1996 announcement - read it all. From this article, QUOTE - "Gore, however, restated his charge earlier this week that oil companies were price gouging."

Again, I don't want this to be a political-bash-thread, if you wanna talk military cuts, I could equally bash the Dems, but this thread is about OIL, not military spending or tax hikes.

Bottom line...
In the case of these rising gas/oil prices, don't look for any help from the Bush Administration... the higher the oil prices, the more their corporate bonuses and dividends are.
And DON'T try to blame it on the Clinton/Gore administration either... at least they TRIED to keep prices under control.

Here's the icing on the cake...
UNBELIEVABLE .

PS - We'd all be ready to revolt if we really knew the truth about what is going on in the middle east right now - topic related. search for "Afghan Pipeline" in your free time.

Proud

 

I usually go through about 1 1/2 to 2 tanks full of gas per week unless I'm headed up to San Francisco. That means for every 50 cent increase it costs me an extra $15 dollars per week, and I'm a heavy, high mileage driver, so it's pretty ridiculous to think that someone whose going to put down $25-35,000 on a new "muscle car" can't afford an extra $7-10 per week in gas. I spend more than that on cable!

I'm not rich by any means, but setting hysterics and whining aside, Gas today is still CHEAPER than it was in the 80's and most of the 90s when you factor inflation. In the late 80s a Mustang GT sold for about $14,000 & fuel normally ran generally around $1 per gallon. Today Mustangs have doubled in price, and so has fuel. From strictly a cost standpoint: BIG DEAL!

Here is San Francisco's average fuel prices since 1986.
http://www.mtc.ca.gov/datamart/stats/gasprice.htm

In 1990 dollars, at $1.68 per gallon today, it's the same as $1.11 in 1990. And as you see, there's a whole lot of months in the past 7 years where gas was WAAAY more expensive in actual terms than it is today.

So forget about this doomsday senario over fuel prices and muscle cars. Prices (even at $2.50 per gallon) is no worse than anything that's frequently happened before, and overall is still reasonable.

The only screwed up thing about all of this is that oil companies are artificially jacking up the price, and putting the money in their pockets!

Nothing more, nothing less!

BTW: Fuel prices have NEVER killed muscle cars. Muscle cars died before the energy crisis in the 70s, was reborn during the comparatively high fuel prices of the late 70s, flourished during the comparatively high prices in the late 80s, and early 90s, and just when fuel was the cheapest (1998-99), people were buying SUVs not muscle cars! So rest safe! If anything, these prices will bring the car industry's and public's focus back to cars!

 

I agree with this 100%.
No more, no less!

 

OH PLEEESE!

I don't mean to flame you, but that's a really dumb and IDIOTIC statement!

In case you haven't noticed, Al Gore ISN'T President, and George Bush IS, and you are now paying MORE for gas, but while Clinton was Prez you paid LESS for gas than in anytime in history!!!

Both Bush & Cheney are oil men. While they are in office, their money is in a blind trust. Now tell me, what do you think their money is invested in?

Some of you people are REALLY naive when it come to political reality verus the political garbage you seem to willingly want to swallow!! If that's the way you want to go, then tell me, which is the "pro oil company" party?

All polititians (that means BOTH parties) look after their own intrests.

GEEEZE! Get a clue and don't be so stupid!

 

the scary thing is .. regardless of anything, I foresee Halliburton getting first dibs on Iraq's richest oil fields after the war is over. dubya/d!ck wouldn't have it any other way, especially under the current conditions

 

i remember when it was the same as the octane, i know i was like 2 but i still remember it

 

what do you mean you remember this with octane? When was that...give me a history lesson!

 

what do you mean you remember this with octane? When was that...give me a history lesson!