Propaganda, Ya gotta love that one! I guess micheal moore movies are based entirely on fact! Hi my name is Pope Benedict! I see alot of GM cars with headlights out so I guess GM quality is going down just like the la times says!

 

Propaganda? You want propaganda?

Go to http://www.google.com; type "failure" in the search window and click "I'm feeling lucky" and see what happens...

 

Jesus Christ.

Mainstream "liberal" medias never cease to amaze me. Add "Google" to List.

***Removes Google from Search bar***

 

i wish i could ****REMOVE CHROME383Z from CZ28*****

 

Wow, everybody alittle fired up today?

 

Me either! They need a dictionary, so they can fully understand words like haulocost, and gulag ( excuse me if my spellings are off, but I doubt ppl are hanging on my ever word like many are with the liberal media scum) and stop printing lies, because guess what guys... many ppl take it as fact. Like the false kuran story that led to many deaths...more fuel for them so I guess they don't really care. I really hate to even bring up politics, and I never would except for the fact that those same ppl are salivating over GM's troubles like a pack of wild dogs, just waiting to pounce on thier prey. No doubt, they helped bring Mopar to its knees, forcing them to be bought by DC, and I'm sure they long to see GM gone entirely. I wonder when you say all over the news, what news are you refering to. If its not from FNC its probably agenda driven BS. The old news organizations are slowly losing there market as the public becomes more aware of what is going on. With FNC they report you decide! You always get both sides liberal & conservative, you don't get that with the other networks. Is it any wonder why they didn't want ol' Rupert Murdoch to have a network. Oh they are trying to change, but for me its too little too late! Sorry suckers! I am salivating at your demise just as you are at just the idea of my fav. companies fall. The product is much better than you are being told PPL... Wake up America! Oswald did it! It wasn't the CIA! Stop listening to these guys they are full of **it! Bottom Line GM kicks ***, and is a big reason the industrial world even exists today! Losing them would not be good for anyone. GM makes a great deal of military stuff/Liberal media hates the military ( oh I know they SAY they support the military , but actions speak loader than words) , see a connection= I do! I'll stop now... For now anyway F-ing Bums P.S. Maybe just a little fired up!

 

Haha, type in SUCCESS and see what happens

 

OK, dipsh*ts, GM's debt is not the fault of the "liberal media". It is the result of bonds that have been issued and rolled-over and so on for quite a while, and those sort of things tend to add up over time. Bloomberg, hardly a "liberal source", says that GM is in the hole $114 billion. That's just bonds (I am unsure if that includes GMAC). They say that about $16B of that comes due this year. The Detroit Free Press says that Fitch's downgrade of GM bonds affected $196 billion. Keep in mind that in 2003, GM issued about $16 billion in bonds to cover a pension liability of $19.5 billion.

Most sources peg GM as the third most-indebted company in the world, behind GE and Ford. Considering that GM and Ford together add up to about a half-trillion dollars of debt in a bond market that's around $2.5 trillion, one starts to understand the magnitude of the problem if they do a bit of research instead of assuming the kneejerk-reaction pose.

 

I never claimed it was. All I'm saying is that I'll trust someone who works for and is "involved" with GM for numbers much more then ANY media source.

 

If this is a shot at me for what I said about the headlights, I said nothing about just becuase the lights are out, the qulaity is down... I was simply asking if anybody else noticed this.

 

I never claimed they were either! They are helping people make up their minds what to buy, and it ain't from the General, even when they offer the same product (Vibe/matrix). But since you mentioned GE & Ford being ahead of GM in debt, Where are the barage of stories "IN The News" or anywhere else, about them going down the crapper? I haven't heard about any of those, and most of my friends know I'm a GM nut, no one ever said, hey did you hear Ford is going under! Where are the stories? But I have had friends come up to me, and say hey did you hear GM is Killing off Buick & Pontiac! None of these friends follow "The News" wether it be automotive or any other kind of news, and still they managed to hear these things! My Bitch about them is they have everyone brainwashed against GM, and just about anything American. OK how about Left Wing BS. Any better for you! Bottom Line...There can't be any Camaros without GM! Huh Huh.. Dip*hits good 1 musta lurnd dat in injineer skool! What, did something we/I said hit home? Your not moonlighting as a journalist for the la times or anything are you? Well if so nothing personal!

 

No it wasn't a shot at you! I guess I used that cuz it was fresh in my head, I just used it as an example of something GM bashing press might say! But no I didn't notice it.

 

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Ford got their turn in the spotlight a few years ago, and I'm sure they'll enjoy the same opportunity in the near future. GE avoids attention by, you know, consistantly making money and avoiding the sort of dumb management decisions that result in billions of lost shareholder value.

That same bias must be the reason why Toyota's ball-joint recall and problems with Prius software got front-page attention on the websites of MSNBC, Fox News, and CNN. Get this - the press loves bad news, regardless of who it comes from. Companies wishing to avoid bad press would be advised to avoid doing dumb stuff.

Much more important to me than the Camaro is seeing that myself, my family, my friends, and my neighbors remain employed, and a big part of that is the continued good health of the domestic auto manufacturing industry. So, ya, something you said hit home. The first step towards fixing this problem is identifying it, and this head-in-the-sand approach towards any of GM's major issues doesn't help anyone.

 

Do you really believe that horsesh!t drivel you typed there? I mean, really? "We report...you decide..." my ***.

More like "If I want amusement instead of actual news, I turn on FNC to see what crap they're pulling out of their *** today." They report, I laugh, then turn to a channel with, you know, actual NEWS.