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Old Jan 16, 2006 | 06:57 PM
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A way to give Pontiac a GTO and a Firebird, and have pretty much no overlap!

I posted this in another thread....but I figured I would also give it it's own thread since it was off topic...

IMO Pontiac really does not need a "traditional" large RWD sedan (G8?).... now that GM is putting Pontiac and Buick in the same dealerships. Buick sells nothing but "Traditional" large sedans and will also have a large RWD sedan on the same platform anyway. So why not....instead of doing a G8, do a quad coupe full sized GTO in it's place. This would give Pontiac a completly unique car that will not steal sales from Buick, and maybe gain buyers looking for something a little different. If someone wants a traditional sedan with a little performance, that could be cheaply accomplished through a performance version of the Buick RWD sedan. This also assumes that the new G6 moves up in size with Malibu to fill the larger Grand Prix/Impala FWD void. (as currently planned)

Then, Since there are normally no Buick/Pontiac dealers that also sell Chevrolet or Cadillac, you could do a business case for a Camaro sized Firebird on Zeta. Maybe make it have an aggressive, but with a refined in your face slant. Offer more high end options from the Zeta parts bin than the Camaro, Maybe AWD and a HF V6 standard...and a turbo V6 or Northstar derivative on the highend. I see Firebird and Camaro kinda like the 350Z and G35...but with more differention because GM has a larger parts bin. All of this would definatly give the car a much different personality than the Camaro with not much investment. Since it will not be in the same dealership as Cadillac..and be smaller/cheaper than a CTS coupe...I can's see it taking any Caddy sales. I also seriously doubt many Caddy buyers would be cross shopping Pontiacs

Just an idea.
Old Jan 16, 2006 | 07:09 PM
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Re: A way to give Pontiac a GTO and a Firebird, and have pretty much no overlap!

I concur, aslong as its agressive looking, t-top targa, Rear/awd, 6 speed I'm there.

Edit:COUPE

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Old Jan 16, 2006 | 07:11 PM
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Re: A way to give Pontiac a GTO and a Firebird, and have pretty much no overlap!

Why don't you just buy a next gen GTO, and pretend its a Firebird?

Old Jan 16, 2006 | 07:14 PM
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Re: A way to give Pontiac a GTO and a Firebird, and have pretty much no overlap!

I dunno With Z284ever keep saying Quad coupe I'm getting freaked, anyone else?
Old Jan 16, 2006 | 07:15 PM
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Re: A way to give Pontiac a GTO and a Firebird, and have pretty much no overlap!

Originally Posted by Kris93/95Z28
Why don't you just buy a next gen GTO, and pretend its a Firebird?

why not buy a Cobalt and Pretend its a Camaro?
Old Jan 16, 2006 | 07:15 PM
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Re: A way to give Pontiac a GTO and a Firebird, and have pretty much no overlap!

I absolutely LOATHE the idea of a GTO as a quad coupe.
Old Jan 16, 2006 | 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by 91Z28350
I absolutely LOATHE the idea of a GTO as a quad coupe.
and people though a 4 door charger was bad...

If it has 4 door I'd rather it be a Gto than Firebird however.
Old Jan 16, 2006 | 07:17 PM
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Re: A way to give Pontiac a GTO and a Firebird, and have pretty much no overlap!

Originally Posted by TrackMagicWS6
I dunno With Z284ever keep saying Quad coupe I'm getting freaked, anyone else?
I dont even want to think about that
Old Jan 16, 2006 | 07:22 PM
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Re: A way to give Pontiac a GTO and a Firebird, and have pretty much no overlap!

he's not the only 1,

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=106630

All-New Pontiac GTO Due in Mid-2008
Date posted: 07-28-2005

DETROIT — An all-new Pontiac GTO, one with a more eye-catching exterior and possibly a four-door "quad coupe" design, is due to go into production in mid-2008, Inside Line has learned\

Edit: this mean camaro mid 08?
Old Jan 16, 2006 | 07:22 PM
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Re: A way to give Pontiac a GTO and a Firebird, and have pretty much no overlap!

Originally Posted by TrackMagicWS6
why not buy a Cobalt and Pretend its a Camaro?

You do realize the GTO will share a parts bin the the Camaro. The Cobalt won't share much more than a Bowtie on the grill with the Camaro...
Old Jan 16, 2006 | 07:30 PM
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Re: A way to give Pontiac a GTO and a Firebird, and have pretty much no overlap!

Originally Posted by Kris93/95Z28

You do realize the GTO will share a parts bin the the Camaro. The Cobalt won't share much more than a Bowtie on the grill with the Camaro...
thats my point it shouldn't GTo=Sedan size, muscle car, Firebird 2+2 pony car. totally different.
Old Jan 16, 2006 | 07:31 PM
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Re: A way to give Pontiac a GTO and a Firebird, and have pretty much no overlap!

Originally Posted by TrackMagicWS6
I dunno With Z284ever keep saying Quad coupe I'm getting freaked, anyone else?

I don't like it one bit, I say we tar and feather him for the thought......
Old Jan 16, 2006 | 07:44 PM
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Re: A way to give Pontiac a GTO and a Firebird, and have pretty much no overlap!

Originally Posted by TrackMagicWS6
he's not the only 1,

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=106630

All-New Pontiac GTO Due in Mid-2008
Date posted: 07-28-2005

DETROIT — An all-new Pontiac GTO, one with a more eye-catching exterior and possibly a four-door "quad coupe" design, is due to go into production in mid-2008, Inside Line has learned\

Edit: this mean camaro mid 08?

I've tried asking the same question about the Camaro.

Being it's off the same platform and we've seen "closer to production than you think" concepts for the Camaro and ZIP for the Goat, I figured it might even be closer that the Goat to production.

but about the quad coupe...... hopefully if it comes out, it will only be a concept.




To look into it with a little more depth...

Camaro is killed off in 2002, cries are heard around the world.

GTO is launched in 04, ridiculed for it's high price, lack of heritage and BLAND STYLE Sales are dismall.

Camaro Concept gets shown and people cry for joy.
People are sending money to GM to build it.
GM says "IF if goes into production, it will be as an 09" three years off

GTO is slated to go into production, and rumored to have a quad coupe design, to be out before Camaro.


So they have already decided on doing the GTO. They may even make it as a quad coupe..... Something I can tell you right now, I will never buy.

But they have not decided on the Camaro, to be based off the GTO and which will sell at least 125-150k in it's first year.

And you guys keep telling me to keep the faith. I will for the Camaro, but will it (the camaro) be at the expense of the GTO?



Are they deliberately moving it out of Competition with the Camaro? How about moving it upclass..... oh yeah it already is.
Old Jan 16, 2006 | 07:47 PM
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Re: A way to give Pontiac a GTO and a Firebird, and have pretty much no overlap!

If GM thought people bitched about bland style on a gto, just imagine what 4 doors would do. they can't seriously be considering it. can they?
Old Jan 16, 2006 | 07:49 PM
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Re: A way to give Pontiac a GTO and a Firebird, and have pretty much no overlap!

The quad coupe GTO design shown to journalists was said to be much more aggressive than the current GTO and had a very coupe like profile. If done right...I would not be against it. Has anyone seen how rediculous it is to get into a current GTO's rear seat?

Remember the original Charger concept everyone loved was a quad coupe too...


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