no more TDI's until at least 2008

http://www.autoblog.com/2006/05/28/v...els-next-year/

 

F*CK F*CK F*CK!!!!!

45 mpg city and a car that can get 300 pound feet of torque with a chip...great now they're going to stop making them.

They're like half the Canadian market; i wonder if it's a u.s only thing? Way to go enviormentalists.

 

If it ain't coming to the US it likely ain't coming to Canada, to small volume to justify the certification and transportation costs.

 

Well something like 47% of VWs sold in Canada are diesel...Canada is a big market...as is Europe.

 

Yeah, this is gay.

 

Europe uses the newer and better diesels that will be coming states-side after 08, the new US fuel rules are actually made so the engines will be cleaner than the EU's emissions rules, so they will sell the same engines in both markets. That is the timeframe that all the new diesels from everyone are supposed to flood the market with choices that haven't ever been seen in diesels.

Thank goodness for low sulfur fuel.

 

Wow, I didnt realize you could get that kind of performance out of them

 

At least DCX has new diesels coming out.

 

But Mercedes didn't sell a single diesel in the U.S. from 1999 to the 2004 model year. VW is only going to be out for about one model year or a little longer. I'm not sure why everyone is acting like VW diesels are gone forever.

Yes, VW should have planned ahead - it was known these standards were coming - but you have to give them some props for being the ONLY company selling diesel cars in the U.S. for five model years. The next generation diesel powerplants will only get better and low sulfer diesel will make them cleaner than ever.

 

I do give VW credit for being the only one with diesel cars. 1 year isn't that bad. I'd like to see a diesel war like the HP war we have been going though.

 

How much forwarning have they had of these changes in standards?

If very little I might suspect government conspiracy to slow sales of fuel efficient foriegn vehicles.

If they've had a lot of forwarning then they've got nobody to blame but themselves.

Either way it's bad timing.

My brother in law has a '04 VW Jetta diesel - it is seriously lacking in power but he does get damn good milage. Then again really no better milage than a basic gas powered civic (45-50 mpg highway)

 

Civic does not get the same milage as Jetta TDI.

Civic is rated at 7.8 L per 100 km city and 5.7 L per 100 km highway.

Previous gen golf/jetta was rated under 6 L per 100 km city and under 5 L per 100 km highway. The new Jetta's numbers are a tiny bit higher, but they are still well below Civic's.

The two are way off.

 

Weren't there a number of E-Class CDI's running around the country? Or were those 2005+ MY?

 

If it is a conspiracy, it isn't a well planned one. It is going to hurt our own industries way more than the effect it would have on basically insignificant VW. Big diesel engine companies are scrambling right now to develop their DPF (diesel particulate filter) systems and the related engine controls. It is going to add significant cost (and other headaches) to the big truck industry. Diesel pickups are under the same gun.

The Duramax will still be around, as will the Cummins in the Dodge (I think it is switching to a newer version of the ISB, though, with more displacement), and I'm sure the Navistar/Powerstroke in the Fords will be here too. Plenty of development work has been done to get them where they need to be.

It is a big headache for all the big diesel guys too (Caterpillar, Cummins, MBE/Detroit Diesel, Navistar, Volvo/Mack, etc.). I'm not sure why VW is taking the year off, but I'm fairly sure there are going to be some angry truckers next year when their trucks become more expensive because of the extra equipment required to meet the standards.

 

Everyone in the industry has known this has been coming for YEARS. Both the heavy and light vehicle laws have been in the works for a long time. There are technical bugs in the systems that still need working out, but even more than that I think that manufacturers have been hoping that their lobbying efforts could continue to push back the start date for years more. It seems that's not going to happen so now they're scrambling.

No conspiracy... just business as usual.

Any truckers planning purchases over the next 3 years or so are all buying now so they'll be grandfathered into the old rules. The real pain won't start in trucking for a while.