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Old Jan 11, 2007 | 11:11 AM
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Toyota's 9.3 milion recalls in the last few years and a decline in quality

While Toyota has done a stellar job in the past, I think they're going to find out that being #1 or #2 isn't going to be easy once they become the new target of lawyers and the media.

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Even Toyota Isn't Perfect

A raft of recalls lately has the automaker scrambling to safeguard its reputation for quality
by Ian Rowley

Toyota (TM) was built on details. After decades of study and refinement, the company has developed thousands of pages of guidelines that lay out exactly what needs to be done at every step of the automaking process. That attention to the nitty-gritty has helped create an industrial machine that's unparalleled in building problem-free cars and trucks.

But growing numbers of flaws have started to tarnish Toyota Motor Corp.'s reputation for quality. Since 2004 the automaker has had to recall 9.3 million vehicles in the U.S. and Japan—its two biggest markets—up from 2.5 million in the previous three years. The problems got so bad that, in July, Toyota CEO Katsuaki Watanabe felt obliged to bow deeply in apology.

Given Toyota's obsession with details, it's no surprise that it would ask someone who knows how to focus on the small stuff to fix the problem. In June, Toyota ordered former Europe chief Shinichi Sasaki back to Japan to help get a grip on the issue. The 36-year Toyota veteran has spent three decades working to ensure glitch-free production. Although Toyota has long had a quality chief, Sasaki is the first person to do the job full-time. "My responsibility is to tell all Toyota employees the quality aspect of their jobs," says Sasaki.

Toyota chieftains say the company is making progress. In December, Executive Vice-President Masatami Takimoto said that when it comes to recalls, "the worst is now over." And Watanabe, while again apologizing for recent faults in vehicles, said Toyota is "right on track in ensuring good quality."

Sasaki's task is made more difficult by Toyota's rapid growth. In recent years, the company has opened at least two overseas plants annually, and this year it's poised to overtake General Motors Corp. (GM) as the world's No. 1 carmaker. Today, Toyota makes nearly as many vehicles outside Japan as it does at home, meaning its cadre of Japanese engineers is no longer big enough to train all the new workers at foreign plants. To make up for the deficit, Toyota last year opened new "Global Production Centers" in Kentucky, England, and Thailand. These facilities, modeled after one established in Japan three years ago, teach trainees the Toyota way in tasks such as welding and painting.

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Another new initiative: better record-keeping. In years past, Toyota maintained repair data only on vehicles under warranty, which meant it missed glitches that popped up later on. Now, Toyota shops in Japan provide a full report on repairs to cars of any age. The quality chief is also asking suppliers to share information and use common parts. Denso (DNZOY), Aishin Seiki, and others have just started using one design for voltage stabilizers for electronics in Toyota's cars.

More important is designing quality into cars in the first place. To give designers extra time to get things right, Toyota has tapped the brakes on the introduction of new models. For instance, the new generation of Corollas, already on sale in Japan, has been held back for a year in the U.S. to ensure that American workers have the time to learn how to build the model without glitches.

There's clearly room for improvement. In July, the company recalled 157,000 Tundra pickups because the trucks lacked front-seat anchors for child safety seats—a feature required in any vehicle that has a switch to turn off air bags. (When deployed, air bags can kill children riding in the front seat.) Toyota, it seems, simply forgot about the anchors when designing the trucks. It's the kind of oversight Sasaki vows to spot long before any recall notices need to be sent out. "Every decision at every stage," he says, "must be done properly."

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Old Jan 11, 2007 | 01:42 PM
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I don't see this having a negative impact on their image as of now, if this becomes a consistent trend, then the media may actually focus some negative energy on them for a change.
Old Jan 11, 2007 | 10:01 PM
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would be front page news or TV if GM..not media bias but fact..
Old Jan 11, 2007 | 10:06 PM
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Weren't Ford and Toyota going to merge? Might not help Ford out much if Toyota keeps having problems.

And don't they tell people to put children in the back seats to avoid air bag injury??? Well, unless there IS no back seat, then yeah..
Old Jan 11, 2007 | 10:07 PM
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I don't see this having a negative impact on their image as of now, if this becomes a consistent trend, then the media may actually focus some negative energy on them for a change.
I wouldn't hold my breath on them "focusing" negative attention on yota, even if the trend continues. IMO outside of people I will show this to, I doubt many people will ever even hear about this........"problem" they've been having. Spread the word folks, that's about the only way this "news" will get out there, unless of course you're rooting for yota! I hope Ford does NOT merge with them. I would love one day, to see the big 3, back in full swing, this would not help with that.

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Old Jan 12, 2007 | 03:56 AM
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Anyone notice the insinuation in this:

For instance, the new generation of Corollas, already on sale in Japan, has been held back for a year in the U.S. to ensure that American workers have the time to learn how to build the model without glitches.
Old Jan 12, 2007 | 05:08 AM
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Anyone notice the insinuation in this:
I hope you didn't think that just because they have plants here didn't mean that they actually wanted to build cars here but the economics dictate the location. If Toyota had their way they would build all vehicles in Japan with "their" workers. Foreign factories are only used to supplement their production needs for that region that Japanese built vehicles can't keep up with the demand or the added costs make them not as competitive.
Old Jan 12, 2007 | 07:59 AM
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Yeah Toyota has had lots of problems this year. I know you guys never believed me before but I had ALWAYS said I would prefer that the domestic companies do well, but I still won't hesitate to buy what vehicle I think is made the best. So it's not like I'm crying over this.

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I hope you didn't think that just because they have plants here didn't mean that they actually wanted to build cars here but the economics dictate the location. If Toyota had their way they would build all vehicles in Japan with "their" workers. Foreign factories are only used to supplement their production needs for that region that Japanese built vehicles can't keep up with the demand or the added costs make them not as competitive.
Toyota and Honda both have a habit of building any new untried type of design in Japan, first, before moving production out to the continent where it will be sold. The Honda Accords with navigation were like this in the beginning of the 2003 model year before moving that small batch of production back out to Ohio. The Lexus RX330 was like that before moving production to Canada, and they're doing the same thing with the Corolla.

It's just a test run for them to fix bugs in any radically newer design.
Old Jan 12, 2007 | 08:48 AM
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Another new initiative: better record-keeping. In years past, Toyota maintained repair data only on vehicles under warranty, which meant it missed glitches that popped up later on. Now, Toyota shops in Japan provide a full report on repairs to cars of any age. The quality chief is also asking suppliers to share information and use common parts. Denso (DNZOY), Aishin Seiki, and others have just started using one design for voltage stabilizers for electronics in Toyota's cars.
So if I'm reading this right, then they're only keeping track of problems that happen on their cars under warranty and not really making an effort to track what problems their older cars may have had. Who's to say their older product doesn't have just as many problems as a domestic car of the same age? If there's no numbers there to see, then who's to say?
Old Jan 12, 2007 | 08:54 AM
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Toyota=child killers

the trucks lacked front-seat anchors for child safety seats—a feature required in any vehicle that has a switch to turn off air bags. (When deployed, air bags can kill children riding in the front seat.) Toyota, it seems, simply forgot about the anchors when designing the trucks.
Old Jan 12, 2007 | 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by shock6906
So if I'm reading this right, then they're only keeping track of problems that happen on their cars under warranty and not really making an effort to track what problems their older cars may have had. Who's to say their older product doesn't have just as many problems as a domestic car of the same age? If there's no numbers there to see, then who's to say?
I don't know for certain but I suspect what Toyota was doing was the "norm" - I suspect that most manufactureres don't keep track of "problems" once a car leaves the warranty period...if anyone knows otherwise it would interesting to know.

As to overall reliability, I believe that's what J.D.Power, and others as well, do - tracking continuing/long term reliability as well as initial quality.

Likewise, depending on the issue, NHTSA gets into the picture as well - as far as I know, if consumer safety is involved, a manufacturere is always held responsible and can be ordered to recall; if there is a cutoff (a statue of limitations) for such recalls I would say it's a very long one.
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Toyota May Add Up to Five More North American Plants

Speaking of Toyota, here is a tidbit I came across in my morning's news service...

Leaked: Toyota May Add Up to Five More North American Plants
Toyota may build as many as five North American assembly plants in the next 10 years in order to keep up with surging U.S. demand that has forced the company to begin importing more vehicles from overseas, The Detroit Free Press reported people familiar with the plans as saying. Toyota is already likely to build one of those factories in the southeastern United States and another in Mexico, the sources said. Based on Toyota's recent investments, five factories would create about 10,000 jobs and cost $5 billion.
Old Jan 12, 2007 | 10:15 AM
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You guys might want to consider safety-specific recalls, though... they tend to be the ones most focused on

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...DATE/701050465
Old Jan 12, 2007 | 11:14 AM
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Toyota could come out on the 5 o'clock news and proclaim that they had nothing to do with the cars being built like crap it is the Americans that build them here in the U.S..
And you know what. Blinders on Americans would still buy them..

That last part Robert about the factories is what scares me...
Old Jan 12, 2007 | 11:50 AM
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Want some insight into why they are having troubles...

Toyota says, ‘We know more about trucks than Ford’
"The new Tundra does not have fully boxed rear frame rails. As reported in the USA Today"
"And, let’s ask another question: Why would fully boxed frame rails decrease payload? Maybe because the powertrain and suspension on the new Tundra has been rigorously tested to a certain GVWR, such that even if you added say 100lbs to the vehicle due to fully boxed frame rails, and this increased your payload by say 300lbs, the whole vehicle would be well past the GVWR it was engineered and tuned around."

The above response came directly from this article in USAToday...
Toyota bulks up Tundra, hoping to draw a crowd of buyers
"Only the front half is fully boxed, a description that implies the sturdiest type of construction. The rest is so-called C-channel construction. Competitors who make greater use of boxed rails will say the Tundra frame could twist and sag easier.
Toyota says there's no need for the extra weight of fully boxed rails on some parts of the frame. Adding that weight would cut into the truck's payload capacity without improving the ride, handling, safety or durability, the car company contends."


OMFG. Does ANYBODY on this site ACTUALLY believe that there could be more than 20-30lbs of steel involved in closing a C-shape channel into a box on this truck's back half, and that the extra 20 lbs would ACTUALLY DECREASE THE PAYLOAD!?!?
If so, you have been by the Toyota media department!
What's worse, they say right in the sentence above it that "Only the front half is fully boxed, a description that implies the sturdiest type of construction."
Well DUH... so why use it on the front half of the truck only?!?! Especially don't want the "most sturdy construction" under the bed where all the load and abuse takes place, do we now.

Seriously... THIS is the kind of money-saving, penny-pinching stuff that will cause problems down the road. It tickles me pink to see that Toyota has finally become such a financially-driven company that the bean-counters are now able to screw-up what the technical people do right. JUST LIKE THE BIG 2.5 have done for years now.

Welcome to the top Toyota... let's see how YOU like it with all the attention and the bullseyes painted on YOUR front door...



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