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Old Jan 21, 2010 | 06:16 PM
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Toyota investigation by Brian Ross

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/runawa...ory&id=9618735


Read the comment section. My favorite:
"I've only had one Toyota. 3 Toyota engines, but only one Toyota."
Old Jan 21, 2010 | 07:14 PM
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Good find....watch the video near the bottom....it is the guy who made it to the dealership while his throttle was stuck open....

The service manager called a Toyota representative. According to Haggerty, the Toyota representative told the service manager to replace the gas pedal and the throttle and their sensors.

Haggerty has not had another incident of random acceleration since the parts were replaced. He feels fortunate that he was alone in the car on December 28.

"After I got out of the car at the dealership, the first thing I thought about was my family," said Haggerty. "And if they were in the car, if my wife was driving – you know, I'm not sure if she would have panicked and kept hitting the brake pedal and known enough to put it into neutral. That flashed through my mind, you know. If my wife and kids were in the car."
I wouldn't want that POS back after that....
Old Jan 21, 2010 | 10:24 PM
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I was mad, saw a blurb on the news nothing big. I think there need to be more investigation style reports like this out there.
Old Jan 22, 2010 | 09:33 AM
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I was mad, saw a blurb on the news nothing big. I think there need to be more investigation style reports like this out there.
The issue is investigating something that happens without an obvious pattern.
Old Jan 22, 2010 | 10:46 AM
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The Toronto Star paper has an article on the recall, but I was dumbfounded when they said:

A Toyota spokesman couldn't immediately say whether the company was aware of accidents or injuries related to the pedal flaw.
Really? Seriously? You ask Toyota to comment on that? And what does it mean that he couldn't "immediately" say... Did he say 5 minutes later? Will he be able to say in 3 days?

Bullsh!t journalism, they would've found stories of injuries and deaths if they did any more digging. For goodness' sake, an elderly man died in Toronto 2 months ago when his Toyota suddenly accelerated onto the intersection while he was waiting to make a left turn. Probably attributed that to old age.

edit: full article here http://www.wheels.ca/newsFeatures/article/784001
Old Jan 23, 2010 | 10:45 AM
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My fiance told her sister about it, but she said she still wants to get a rav 4, which is part of the recall. What's it gonna take?
Old Jan 24, 2010 | 11:01 AM
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My fiance told her sister about it, but she said she still wants to get a rav 4, which is part of the recall. What's it gonna take?
Alot. Most people don't even believe that these problems are real. I've spoken with more than few people that still believe Toyota is the "best car company and most reliable." They don't even know about these problems, Toyota has done such a good job keeping them under wraps. It also doesn't help that the media rarely gives the same coverage of import problems and recalls as it does domestics.
Old Jan 24, 2010 | 07:03 PM
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lol, doesn't surprise me that they don't believe it's actually happening. I've also noticed an increase of commercials, shorter and more frequent that are straight and to the point that say "Toyota....quality", and "Toyota....reliability". They're literally 20 seconds or so. These mf'ers are tricky.
Old Jan 26, 2010 | 09:45 PM
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I still don't get how Toyota doesn't know what's causing these problems. When the guy drove up to the dealership with his car revving out of control, that would've been an excellent opportunity for a technician to troubleshoot the car while the symptom was occurring. Why isn't it obvious to anyone else but me that if they can replace the gas pedal/throttle/sensors, that it's one of those components that's causing the problems? It seems to me that anyone with half a brain would be able to narrow the malfunction down to a single component.
Old Jan 26, 2010 | 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by onebadponcho
I still don't get how Toyota doesn't know what's causing these problems. When the guy drove up to the dealership with his car revving out of control, that would've been an excellent opportunity for a technician to troubleshoot the car while the symptom was occurring. Why isn't it obvious to anyone else but me that if they can replace the gas pedal/throttle/sensors, that it's one of those components that's causing the problems? It seems to me that anyone with half a brain would be able to narrow the malfunction down to a single component.
Not when it's the computer f'in up
Old Jan 27, 2010 | 12:19 AM
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Not when it's the computer f'in up
Amazing.

The PCM a single component. Granted, it controls a lot of things, but it's one component.

Also, I'll say this again since it was apparently missed last time.....the guy's service dept. replaced the gas pedal/throttle/sensors and that fixed the problem, so it would stand to reason that one of those replaced components was causing the problem. If the service dept. had actually spent a little extra time troubleshooting instead of just replacing everything, they could've found out exactly which component was causing the problem - even if the single component turned out to be a faulty PCM. This is by no means rocket science.
Old Jan 27, 2010 | 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by MarcR94v6
My fiance told her sister about it, but she said she still wants to get a rav 4, which is part of the recall. What's it gonna take?
So tell her..what flowers do you want at your funeral..and tell her your not joking. These cars have killed people. as recently as last month.
Old Jan 27, 2010 | 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by MarcR94v6
lol, doesn't surprise me that they don't believe it's actually happening. I've also noticed an increase of commercials, shorter and more frequent that are straight and to the point that say "Toyota....quality", and "Toyota....reliability". They're literally 20 seconds or so. These mf'ers are tricky.
yup I mentioned that a few weeks ago.

problem is what to do with all those people buying the cars? And then seeing the cars killing people.

Seriously if I had one of these recalled cars I would not drive it. bring it to the dealer and tell them to get me a loaner car from another company till its fixed.
Old Jan 27, 2010 | 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by onebadponcho
Amazing.

The PCM a single component. Granted, it controls a lot of things, but it's one component.

Also, I'll say this again since it was apparently missed last time.....the guy's service dept. replaced the gas pedal/throttle/sensors and that fixed the problem, so it would stand to reason that one of those replaced components was causing the problem. If the service dept. had actually spent a little extra time troubleshooting instead of just replacing everything, they could've found out exactly which component was causing the problem - even if the single component turned out to be a faulty PCM. This is by no means rocket science.
Toyota absolutely knows what is wrong with the vehicles, just like Ford knows what is wrong with the cruise control deactivation switches.

The problem with your "logic" is that this problem is occuring in several different vehicle lines. These vehicles DO NOT share the same components. Sure, they use the same type of system, but the parts themselves are different. Sometimes (especially true of modern electronic systems) a single part is not to blame, but rather a system.

The repair cost is most likely far too great until a better, cheaper solution can be found. So until that time, they "don't know" what is wrong

Finally, I don't buy the story of the guy who had all those parts thrown at the car, and the repair actually working. The parts that were put in the car were pulled off the same assembly line that are going into the vehicles currently being built. Those lines have been shut down because of defective parts...

Last edited by Marc 85Z28; Jan 27, 2010 at 10:46 AM.
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