I don't get you at all.


On one hand you say that the US has been run by a select few. So this is what you want to get back to ?

If you can explain in detail in any way shape or form how my point of view is based upon greed, you might as well answer the question " is there a god?"
Shortsightedness? You calling me shortsighted because I have the ability to incorporate factors into the equation that YOU REFUSE TO ACCEPT.... and make it work to EVERYONE'S ADVANTAGE.


Then these poor areas I mention rely on US tourism? This was so off the mark it was just plain bad. Ethiopia? Tourism? How about Nigeria? nope.

You are just plain not listening like a child when you say I am "taking this country down to other countires levels"

YOU ARE TAKING IT DOWN. You and every other big headed fool who thinks it can ever go back to the way it was. So you only make 23 an hour, well you are on the low end.

Did I attack the UAW any more than I attacked other parts of the equasion?
Please answer that accurately then think about your statements. You and your union brothers ARE part of the equasion, and it is messed up all over the place, which means you are ALL part of the problem. Your inability to accept that equates to your inability to negotiate, and the breakdown of the UNION as any good for ANYTHING.

I see you are only Pro-union and everyone else is the blame.

You ARE the reason this countries manufacturing industry is going down the toilet.

Not because of your wages, because of your inability to accept anything other than your point of view.

I can also tell you are a Republican, it goes without saying. Republican way of "discussing" is equivalent to the Pro-Union way of discussing, everyone else is at fault and repeat yourself until the opposer gets frustrated and gives up.


So are you actually trying to argue with me or reinforce my arguement?

Seriously, if you read my posts you would see this is what I am aiming for.




So my idea of lowering costs exponentially, while manufacturing most parts in poor countries, while ramping up the number of employees at US assembly plants is bad because 100% of every US car should be made in the US?
Is this what you are getting at?

I understand there is no arguing with people as pro-Union as you, but the worst part is, you are too pig headed to accept that even an alternative that could help out every one in the end, and have everyone make sacrifices accross the board, while eventually increasing US workforce, is bad because of one word that is used in there. Read that and tell me how one word makes all the rest of that go wrong.

So in the end, when you are laid off and have to go to a store and work your way up to 10 dollars an hour, ask yourself this, if you could be making 20 dollars an hour instead of less than ten, and still being employed by your current employer instead of Best Buy. Then ask yourself at that point if you would have felt better if you along with every employee took a cut in order to lower costs and maybe save GM.

Yeah, go ahead and Say I am unamerican.

I AM the poor SOB who lost everything after losing MY UNION JOB. The CEO still made Millions, I lost everything. It's real easy to be a big shot and demand everything and accept nothing less, unitl you lose everything.

 

so I am the moron when I say decrease costs, decrease salaries and wages (so you'd make 20 an hour and change VS 23 an hr), and increase the number of US employees in the long run, in order to save the company and make it very profitable, instead of just above breaking even.

So my ideas to save and improve GM are wrong cause you'd have to lose less than 3 bucks an hour?

Yeah, GO UNION!!

 

Today is the first day that Delphi can ask the bankruptcy court judge to void the union contract and that could take 60 days. The Detroit News reports that progress is being made in talks between the three (GM, Delphi, and the UAW). Part of GMs $8.6 billion loss in 05 was $3.6 billion set aside to bail out Delphi. GM claims this figure could go as high as $11-12 billion as talks continue for a settlement that would avoid a strike and subsequent shutdown of GM due to lack of parts. If the judge voids the UAW contract, it would also void the no strike clause in the contract and a strike would then be legal.

 

I'll buy you a beer for that one if you'll come get it!

 

That's exactly, kinda what I've been trying to say...
I have NO problem with
"developing", low labor cost countries, or regions. The problem I have is, "shifting" all or the largest part of your operations there. While "expanding", into these countries can benefit and grow a company, "relocating" and "leaning"(shrinking) to these areas, can adversely affect your market.

 

Where's the money going to come from to develop the countries? How long is it going to take to develop the infrastructure to support the outsourcing? In theory off shoring makes a lot of sense, but it's hard to translate that theory into the real world

 

other companies will jump at the chance to provide needs.

It is difficult, but it shouldn't rest on the shoulders of one person.

 

I'm no expert by any means, but, "expanding" to me, would mean: growing the company in another market, by maybe opening a plant in a country that will be making a product tailored for that market, by the people who live there. Similar to what Japan is doing to us, with out shipping them 50% of their product(outsourcing), or totally biased and unfair tax/tarrif laws(codes) though. A self sustaining branch, in the other country. By employing them, building their products, similar to how Henry Ford did starting out, believing people should be able to buy the products they make. You would need to tailor a product saleable in that market at a price that market can sustain. But I don't claim to know all the logistics of doing that.
"Outsourcing" to me is different: means importing/exporting, low priced "work" and materials, NOT sustaing our own buisness/market here.

 

Delphi lost $121 million in Feb. and talks with Delphi and UAW are proceeding with March 31 being the new deadline for a settlement or Delphi claims it will ask the Bankruptcy judge to void the current union agreements. The Detroit News reported Sunday that GM and the UAW are in advanced talks on buyout offers for up to 20,000 hourly employees. About 37,000 workers are eligible for retirement. The average cost of an active employee is $130,000 a year and GM plans to shed 30,000 factory jobs by 2008 to become profitable again. The GM jobs bank contains about 8000 workers who are paid full wages and benefits even though their jobs have been eliminated.

 

Delphi has asked the bankruptcy judge to void all union contracts with Delphi and stated that it plans to shut or sell 21 of 28 plants. This starts the process in motion as it may take 60 - 90 days for the judge to make a ruling on the matter. The unions, Delphi and GM can still negotiate during this time for an amicable settlement, but if one is not reached, Delphi is holding firm that the contracts will be voided and the unions are holding firm that they will strike and that would shut GM down in a matter of days.

 

"Competition can be brutal"

 

Remember Chrysler? The government once again will save the day.

 

Bush has a very long list, and GM is not near the top.

 

Finally somebody with a voice of reason. I love the talk that if GM or Ford goes under it's going to somehow Cripple the US and we'll all be eating beans for the rest of our lives. There are lots of Jobs in this country and the Auto will not dissapear. IF GM or Ford leaves Toyota and Honda will just up there ante here.

I actually hope Bosch buys into Delphi. I think it would be the best thing for them. But I'm not sure financially why they would want Delphi's mess...

 

When Delphi dies what does that mean to XM Radio. Delphi makes probably 90% or more of the XM Satllite receivers and components. XM radio has over 6 million subsribers now. Who will step in and take Delphi's place in satllite radios.

I have the Delphi SkyFi2 and the MyFi, both are great units and it will be sad to see Delphi leave this area.