Titan tanking....
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I was at the Nissan dealership the other day looking at 350Z Roadsters and happened upon the Titan. I like it and think it's a really nice truck. I'd rather have the F-150 because I think it looks even better plus I rode in one a couple of weeks ago and it is by far the best riding truck I've ever been in. And it wasn't even the Lariat edition!
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Originally posted by 94LightningGal
Nissan needs more variety (yes people do still work with their trucks), a lower dollar entry engine, a remake on that awful exterior (there is not a cohesive design theme in the entire truck), and heavily upgrade the quality of the interior. Then they need to sit back and wait. It will take years to begin to get a reputation for toughness (or not, depending on how the truck does in the long term).
Nissan needs more variety (yes people do still work with their trucks), a lower dollar entry engine, a remake on that awful exterior (there is not a cohesive design theme in the entire truck), and heavily upgrade the quality of the interior. Then they need to sit back and wait. It will take years to begin to get a reputation for toughness (or not, depending on how the truck does in the long term).
Nissan was right to make the Titan only in well equipped extended and crew cab models. They are making the same move with the Frontier, at least initially. 2. Why does Nissan need an "entry level" engine? Ford has ditched the V6-engined base F-150 - a fortunate move because the 4.6 liter model is guttless and the new 5.4 liter only borders on adequate. From experience, I can state that V6 powered full sized trucks are loathsome, and should be avoided by all private owners. Even the real world fuel economy gains of an inadequate engine are marginal. Similarly, who wants to shift with a gear lever that looks like a broomstick.
Kudos to Nissan for refusing to produce a truck without a serious drivetrain as standard equipment.
Nobody else (Ford, GM, Dodge and Toyota included) has ever bothered to do it before.3. If Audi TT-style air vents and fake wood are quality, then the Ford F-150 has plenty of interior "quality." Of course, due to long acceleration times, F-150 buyers have lots of time on their hands to stare at the dashboard.
4. A Toyota Landcruiser (especially in the GX-spec you can't get in the U.S.) is my idea of a tough vehicle. Gasoline engines aside, the Super Duty is the only Ford I might say the same about. The current F-150 is big, soft and doughy - much like alot of potential F-150 buyers.
It's pretty obvious that Nissan doesn't need to "sit back and wait" for a "reputation for toughness." The Titan is already ahead of the domestic competition if you bother to look at the product.
Originally posted by 94LightningGal
BTW, locally in AZ, the dealerships have been offering at least $4000 off of MSRP since January. I have seen 2 on the road.
BTW, locally in AZ, the dealerships have been offering at least $4000 off of MSRP since January. I have seen 2 on the road.
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Originally posted by redzed
1. Nobody drives long bed, regular cab models except farmers and "lawn service professionals." Nissan was right to make the Titan only in well equipped extended and crew cab models. They are making the same move with the Frontier, at least initially.
1. Nobody drives long bed, regular cab models except farmers and "lawn service professionals."
Nissan was right to make the Titan only in well equipped extended and crew cab models. They are making the same move with the Frontier, at least initially.
Originally posted by redzed
2. Why does Nissan need an "entry level" engine? Ford has ditched the V6-engined base F-150 - a fortunate move because the 4.6 liter model is guttless and the new 5.4 liter only borders on adequate. From experience, I can state that V6 powered full sized trucks are loathsome, and should be avoided by all private owners. Even the real world fuel economy gains of an inadequate engine are marginal. Similarly, who wants to shift with a gear lever that looks like a broomstick.
Kudos to Nissan for refusing to produce a truck without a serious drivetrain as standard equipment. Nobody else (Ford, GM, Dodge and Toyota included) has ever bothered to do it before.
2. Why does Nissan need an "entry level" engine? Ford has ditched the V6-engined base F-150 - a fortunate move because the 4.6 liter model is guttless and the new 5.4 liter only borders on adequate. From experience, I can state that V6 powered full sized trucks are loathsome, and should be avoided by all private owners. Even the real world fuel economy gains of an inadequate engine are marginal. Similarly, who wants to shift with a gear lever that looks like a broomstick.
Kudos to Nissan for refusing to produce a truck without a serious drivetrain as standard equipment.
Nobody else (Ford, GM, Dodge and Toyota included) has ever bothered to do it before.
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Ford has ditched the V6-engined base F-150 - a fortunate move because the 4.6 liter model is guttless and the new 5.4 liter only borders on adequate.
The way I see it is, I love Chevy cars, but I do have to give props to the Ford F-series Trucks, they ride well, turn well, and with an optional 7.3L Powerstroke Turbo V8 Diesel engine(American Made by International Truck & Engine Corp.) they have the Power advantage as well...
As of now, a Ford truck would be what I'd buy, if I really needed a good, solid, strong, "work" truck..an F-350 with a 7.3L PS/ turbo-diesel.
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Originally posted by 90rocz
The latest buyers guide I've seen still says Ford offers a 4.2L Triton 6-cylinder / 202hp engine as "standard" in the 2004 F-150...it may depend on if you're looking at a standard cab 2wd, or a crew-cab(4-door)4x4...not sure...but they do have a 4.2L / 6-cylinder base F-150...
The latest buyers guide I've seen still says Ford offers a 4.2L Triton 6-cylinder / 202hp engine as "standard" in the 2004 F-150...it may depend on if you're looking at a standard cab 2wd, or a crew-cab(4-door)4x4...not sure...but they do have a 4.2L / 6-cylinder base F-150...
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Originally posted by 90rocz
The latest buyers guide I've seen still says Ford offers a 4.2L Triton 6-cylinder / 202hp engine as "standard" in the 2004 F-150
The latest buyers guide I've seen still says Ford offers a 4.2L Triton 6-cylinder / 202hp engine as "standard" in the 2004 F-150
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Originally posted by redzed
1. Nobody drives long bed, regular cab models except farmers and "lawn service professionals." Nissan was right to make the Titan only in well equipped extended and crew cab models. They are making the same move with the Frontier, at least initially.
2. Why does Nissan need an "entry level" engine? Ford has ditched the V6-engined base F-150 - a fortunate move because the 4.6 liter model is guttless and the new 5.4 liter only borders on adequate. From experience, I can state that V6 powered full sized trucks are loathsome, and should be avoided by all private owners. Even the real world fuel economy gains of an inadequate engine are marginal. Similarly, who wants to shift with a gear lever that looks like a broomstick.
Kudos to Nissan for refusing to produce a truck without a serious drivetrain as standard equipment. Nobody else (Ford, GM, Dodge and Toyota included) has ever bothered to do it before.
3. If Audi TT-style air vents and fake wood are quality, then the Ford F-150 has plenty of interior "quality." Of course, due to long acceleration times, F-150 buyers have lots of time on their hands to stare at the dashboard.
4. A Toyota Landcruiser (especially in the GX-spec you can't get in the U.S.) is my idea of a tough vehicle. Gasoline engines aside, the Super Duty is the only Ford I might say the same about. The current F-150 is big, soft and doughy - much like alot of potential F-150 buyers.
It's pretty obvious that Nissan doesn't need to "sit back and wait" for a "reputation for toughness." The Titan is already ahead of the domestic competition if you bother to look at the product.
Based on my own experience, I can agree. So far, I've only seen one stripped XE model on the road. The local dealer is pushing 20+ in inventory - a big pile up by Nissan standards. To put that in perspective, though, the local Chevy and GMC lots have a sum total of 250-300 full sized trucks in inventory.
1. Nobody drives long bed, regular cab models except farmers and "lawn service professionals."
Nissan was right to make the Titan only in well equipped extended and crew cab models. They are making the same move with the Frontier, at least initially. 2. Why does Nissan need an "entry level" engine? Ford has ditched the V6-engined base F-150 - a fortunate move because the 4.6 liter model is guttless and the new 5.4 liter only borders on adequate. From experience, I can state that V6 powered full sized trucks are loathsome, and should be avoided by all private owners. Even the real world fuel economy gains of an inadequate engine are marginal. Similarly, who wants to shift with a gear lever that looks like a broomstick.
Kudos to Nissan for refusing to produce a truck without a serious drivetrain as standard equipment.
Nobody else (Ford, GM, Dodge and Toyota included) has ever bothered to do it before.3. If Audi TT-style air vents and fake wood are quality, then the Ford F-150 has plenty of interior "quality." Of course, due to long acceleration times, F-150 buyers have lots of time on their hands to stare at the dashboard.
4. A Toyota Landcruiser (especially in the GX-spec you can't get in the U.S.) is my idea of a tough vehicle. Gasoline engines aside, the Super Duty is the only Ford I might say the same about. The current F-150 is big, soft and doughy - much like alot of potential F-150 buyers.
It's pretty obvious that Nissan doesn't need to "sit back and wait" for a "reputation for toughness." The Titan is already ahead of the domestic competition if you bother to look at the product.
Based on my own experience, I can agree. So far, I've only seen one stripped XE model on the road. The local dealer is pushing 20+ in inventory - a big pile up by Nissan standards. To put that in perspective, though, the local Chevy and GMC lots have a sum total of 250-300 full sized trucks in inventory.
Now if you have nothing more than crap to say you will stay here but if you have anything remotely worth reading you may come off my list.
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Red, you need to read up, and look at the real world before you open your mouth and insert your foot.
There are 5 plants that build the F-series trucks. Currently, only 2 of those are making the new truck. Another should be on line in the next couple of months. As all the plants switch over (you stagger it so that there is no shortage of the worlds best selling vehicle................ well................ unless you are red, I guess), all of the varieties of F150 trucks will be built on the new platform. This will include all of the standard cab, longbed, V6, and manual transmission trucks.
Also, if you don't see that work trucks sell, you need to get out more.
The fastest truck has rarely been the sole criteria for the purchase of a full size truck (unless you are buying a Lightning or SRT-10 Ram).
BTW, the "slow" 5.4 F150 is still significantly faster than about any truck made 10-years.............. or even less, ago. A full size truck that would run in the 9's to 60 was considered "fast." That a 5500lb fully loaded F150 can do it in the 8-second range is pretty impressive in my book. It's a heavy truck, but I would take massive frame strength for the weight trade-off anyday.
There are 5 plants that build the F-series trucks. Currently, only 2 of those are making the new truck. Another should be on line in the next couple of months. As all the plants switch over (you stagger it so that there is no shortage of the worlds best selling vehicle................ well................ unless you are red, I guess), all of the varieties of F150 trucks will be built on the new platform. This will include all of the standard cab, longbed, V6, and manual transmission trucks.
Also, if you don't see that work trucks sell, you need to get out more.
The fastest truck has rarely been the sole criteria for the purchase of a full size truck (unless you are buying a Lightning or SRT-10 Ram).
BTW, the "slow" 5.4 F150 is still significantly faster than about any truck made 10-years.............. or even less, ago. A full size truck that would run in the 9's to 60 was considered "fast." That a 5500lb fully loaded F150 can do it in the 8-second range is pretty impressive in my book. It's a heavy truck, but I would take massive frame strength for the weight trade-off anyday.
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Originally posted by Steal-Dragon
Can you get a manual transmission with any of these trucks? That would be a deciding factor for me on which one I would buy.
Can you get a manual transmission with any of these trucks? That would be a deciding factor for me on which one I would buy.
Silverado.
In the 2500's you can even get a Big Block 6 speed combo
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It really surprises me that the titan is doing so poorly. When I initially saw it, I thought it would sell quite well. As someone has already stated, I would have to agree that the primary cause would be owner loyalty. It will just take Nissan some time to earn customer loyalty. As far as looks go, I feel that there are a few members on this board who might need to run down to Walmart Vision Center and have their eyes checked. The titan is a very sharp looking truck. It doesn't even come close to matching the ugliness of a Silverado. The current Silverado is the most hideous and offensive truck i've ever set my eyes on.
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Originally posted by 94LightningGal
Also, if you don't see that work trucks sell, you need to get out more.[/B]
Also, if you don't see that work trucks sell, you need to get out more.[/B]
Originally posted by 94LightningGal
The fastest truck has rarely been the sole criteria for the purchase of a full size truck (unless you are buying a Lightning or SRT-10 Ram).[/B]
The fastest truck has rarely been the sole criteria for the purchase of a full size truck (unless you are buying a Lightning or SRT-10 Ram).[/B]
Originally posted by 94LightningGal BTW, the "slow" 5.4 F150 is still significantly faster than about any truck made 10-years.............. or even less, ago. A full size truck that would run in the 9's to 60 was considered "fast." That a 5500lb fully loaded F150 can do it in the 8-second range is pretty impressive in my book. It's a heavy truck, but I would take massive frame strength for the weight trade-off anyday. [/B]
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Originally posted by Eric77TA
The 4.2L Triton is only in the "Heritage" (read "old") F-150 - which they're still building alongside the new model. All the new design models have the 4.6 (XL, STX, XLT) or 5.4 (FX4, Lariat) as standard.
The 4.2L Triton is only in the "Heritage" (read "old") F-150 - which they're still building alongside the new model. All the new design models have the 4.6 (XL, STX, XLT) or 5.4 (FX4, Lariat) as standard.