not to come off harsh here, but what do you mean by "REAL" power? low 13's in the 1/4 for a 4000lbs car isnt real power? and thats bone stock. i'm not going by mags here either. there are timeslips posted for stock R/T autos hitting 13.1, 13.2, 13.4. if you really want, i will dig up links for the scanned slips of the guy that ran 13.12. someone who can drive a manual could probably equal or better those by 1 or 2 tenths.

i'm not looking to get into a bench racing war with a car that isnt even out yet, but i will state the facts. i'm sure the ss will be quicker out of the box too so dont take this as a "i have a challenger so i automatically think its faster than every car in its class" replies. i consider myself a GM and Chrysler guy and i just think people should realize the gap isnt going to be as wide as you think it will be between them.

 

Concur 100%. If there is any 'under-rating' going on, then it is only 5-10 HP, and that is well within the margin of error for one dyno to another (or even one car to another).

 

If there was one to be out of the competition it should be the challenger. It was a last ditch effort after Chrysler pissed off all there charger fans. Now I see challengers getting in the hands of DUB just like the charger and 300, making them look ridiculous with 26" rims and plastic body kits molded to the floor

 

FWIW, I drove a Challenger R/T yesterday. I was underwhelmed. I really liked everything "visually" about the car (the looks), but after driving one I felt it was soft, the steering numb, and it felt relatively slow and unresponsive. I was really considering an R/T after checking out the great incentives available. Now not considering one at all. IMHO, G8 GT drives, handles and "goes" so much better. Then I happened to be finishing up my latest R&T last night and noticed in their "spec" pages toward the back listed 2009 Challenger R/T 0-60 a time of 6.2 seconds. Toyota Camry SE listed 0-60 of 6.1 seconds. G8 GT listed 0-60 of 5.0 seconds. So my seat-of-the-pants feelings were confirmed.

 

thats not good.

 

are you sure that 6.2 wasnt for the SE? either that or someone doesnt know how to drive. this is why i dont go by mags anymore. journalists that know how to write, but cant drive.

just more bad press fueling the fire that they are slow cars. chrysler must have done something to pi$$ them off!

i know i said i dont go by mags, but i know MT got a 5.1 0-60. ive seen pictures posted of a few sub 5sec sprints with the built in EVIC display as well, so basically 6.2 is waay off.

 

They did comment that the 6.2 sec 0-60 for the R/T six speed was partially due to the 2-3 upshift occurring just before the 60 mph mark. But the 1/4 mile time was a low/mid 14 sec, if I recall correctly, at ~99 mph I think.

Of course, R&T typically displays slower times than the other mags b/c they don't correct for standard conditions (though they test near sea level in California).

But the Camaro SS is going to slaughter the R/T, I think. I also think it will dispatch the SRT8 (dipping into the high 12s in mag testing).

By the way, I'm testing at Milford today, and just drove by a gaggle of new Camaros in various colors, both RS and SS. MMMMMMMmmmmmm

 

first off, i'll say it again...i have no doubts the SS will be quicker than the R/T out of the box. i'm just posting these from another board to show that its not going to be a "slaughter" that some people think...and no hard feelings guys, just a friendly debate...

this is from the dodgechallenger.com message boards:

look at the entire thread here: dodgetony is the ones to look for. hes got a stock R/T automatic:
http://www.dodgechallenger.com/forum..._3/key_/tm.htm


Here are my results from today at Dragway 42. It was mid 50''s air temp, corrected baro of 30.12 hum at 80%. Overall incredible air to race in.
First, the traction control is a royal pain. Second, I could not hit the tree at all. After a few runs I got better, but I am used to racing a low 10 sec car....when I left on the last bulb I was horribly late.
Anyhow, I ran 5 times. The first 3 were all in the 13.10''s. The last two 13.30''s. The car is all stock! I raced it with the air in the rear tires at 20 psi, and removed the air filter. Here are the incrementals from the best pass:
60'': 1.942
330'': 5.501
1/8 mile: 8.47 @ 80.65 mph
1000'': 10.977
1/4 mile: 13.12 @ 108.16

If some-one can tell me how to post a time slip I will post it.

and goes on to add this with a link to another site with the slip posted:

Taylor...I reguarly dragrace 250~300 passes a year, so I am sure that helps. Plus the air was great. Heres a link to a different website where I posted the timeslip.
http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/...rt=1&vc=1&nt=2

First, the suspension likes to be shocked...dead idle and floor it. I also made sure I followed slick cars into the lanes. This way I could avoid driving through any dirt from the other street cars. Lastly, no burnout. These tires get greasy when hot. I only spun them off a split second to get the dirt off and that was it. No smoke if I could avoid it. Then the rest is pay real close attention for wheel slip and ease off a little. I always ran with the traction control off as I knew it would slow the car. My next outing will be with slicks and the traction control bypassed. I think based from the MPH this car will go mid 12''s with slicks.

Then there''s old saying....some are faster than others.

again, guys, i want to keep it friendly and just want to show what the car is capable of in the hands of someone who can actually drive it right.

 

i bet the SS goes 12.6-12.8 range.

 

Agreed. Mid to high 12's should not be that hard to obtain.
Ill even make this claim. Within the first year, perhaps 6 months of the first tuning software for the car is set and someone gets crazy with it, some DR's and a really good driver, I would not be surprised to see 11.99 in a near stock SS.
There are more and more G8 GT's hitting high 12's with nothing more then a tune and some very minor bolt ons, and I personally know someone who has and saw it with my own eyes. He has a tune, Pypes experimental axle back, and I belive a custom CAI, and hit 12.95, down from his mid 13's.
Thats a heavier car with 60-80hp disadvantage over a Camaro SS.
I know ZZtop posted up a bunch of info based on gears and power ratings, but I think that people hitting low 13's with an Camaro SS will be like 01-02 LS1 cars hitting high 13's.

 

Lightly-modded LS1 F-bodies were hitting 11.9x many years ago. I have no doubt the 2010's will do it very soon too.

 

Camaro, fastest and probably quickest. LS3 offers best bang for buck.

Mustang, most appealing interior and sales leader. GT500 highest performance but highest cost in the pony car game.

Challenger, largest capacity, take the family for a thrill ride- modern muscle car.