The environmentalists have G.M. over a barrel and they know it. It has been talked about for months that a possible rescue plan would mandate a reduction in V8 availability for the big 3. I just hope this is not 1970 all over again.

 

I can see the ricer's doing that now if they could...dude is that your civic?...It sounds like it's got a Supra motor?!...Yeah I just got it from iTunes...sweet brah.

 

I really don't watch much TV, anymore! However I do get this pissed, when I see ads for certain products/companies. Why did they get a huge bailout too? If so then I will now!

 

Months....? That's what this whole friggin' thing was all about! Why in hell do you think I've been trashing the BIAS media for so long. I saw this coming a mile away, it was all about crippling the big 3 in this very way, and putting them out of business....How yall can't see this, is beyond me..They blame America for everything, what better way to stick it to US, than to mandate away the very vehicles we cherish in this country.....vehicles that represent freedom to so many of US here in America!!! So you see, I really could care less about what foreign brands are doing. My hate for them, grew directly from the hate coming from their friends in the media towards GM!!

 

The Grand National sounds pretty awesome. The Torana was set for 375hp and I bet they could get easily 425hp from it. Isnt Ford looking to do a 450hp TT V6 engine?

Not to mention GM has yet to release (to the public's eye ) the DI LSx engine. Or the 3V/cyl LSx. Or the twin cam in block LSx. Or the Variable Cam LSx.

GM powertrain has stuff up their sleeve to improve V8 fuel economy enough to buy them plenty more time. V8's will continue to get more rare, but they will still exist.

Not to mention Europe still has plenty of V8s, V10s and V12s despite higher fuel costs and regulations. They are just more expensive over there. We WILL STILL HAVE V8s.

Pioneered?
Perfected?

Dude, relax a bit. The ICE of today is nowhere near perfect. Not to mention GMs v8's are very different than other manufacturers in terms of design and functionality. "Perfection" is all in the beholder. GMs engines rock - but I would hardly call them the perfect ICE.

No. That is not what this whole thing is about. This is about the fact that GM, Ford, and Chrylser ran themselves into the ground and now they are begging for handouts. Yes the govt is biased. Yes the media is biased. I agree with you 100%. But GM messed up. We now get to pay the bills to fix them. And because the government is a group of people we as citizens elected to control our money - they get to put clauses onto our money as to what it is used for.

This conveniently includes more fuel efficient cars.

And a cheap and abundant supply of Cobalt, Manganese, and Lithium in the Earth's crust to make those batteries cheaply.

 

If they can put an end to GM's further developement of the V8 ICE, because that's what europe thinks we should do! They can dam sure come to your home and collect that "gross polluter" you've been working on just for fun! Maybe you want to pass it on to your kids! Tough **** your ****ing beat...And while they're there, they might also decide you don't need to have all that firepower you have. This **** doesn't happen over night folks, it takes baby steps, but one at a time, they WILL persist until all of the evil (insert your favorite rides/guns/cheeseburgers) are eliminated. Do some searching for Hot Rod magazine's many articles on the Project "Crusher Camaro". IIRC it was chevron & politicians involved in the raping of the classic car hobby! They want to go after Hot Rodders, the 1st real recyclers. Imagine that, the people who care about the environment! Never mind the energy it takes to eliminate all these cars. A bunch of hypocrite bums they are.

 

Let them go bankrupt and rearrange. Then take the environmentalists and CAFE out of power. That's the only way the industry will rebound anytime soon. They need the handcuffs taken off by the idiots that believe in cars destroying the atmosphere and the global warming farse.

 

Sure even going back to the GNX's. They earned my respect, no doubt. I'm all for them using more FI, DI, VVT ICE's in the future. I don't even care about the electric stuff. Great, I love it, I want to see more of all that, so that people have more choices. I know about the twin cam & 3v LSx's. I think GM has the ability to produce the best stuff in the world, and their V8's is what ALOT of people really love and want. I hear the V8 is done and I'm livid, cuz it ain't done! IMHO it can get way more refinedwhich means more power, mpg, reliability. OK so GM screwed up, but IMO not with the products. It's with the people running the show, so get rid of them. Hell I could probably do a better job. I might as well say it, everyone under the dam sun thinks they know, yet I rarely IF ever hear anyone who cares as much about the companies future as me. Do the businessmen in charge? I'm not so sure some of them do. And as for the DC crooks....IF they want to push this electric car **** down our throats, they want to stimulate the economy all this BS. Energy independenc they say....Do something real, cut US all a check for say $30K (or whatever it costs) for each one of my homes, with the only stipulation being that I have to use it to install a solar system in my homes. Now an electric car might pique MY interest, without something like that, I have none!! Because now instead of paying for gas, my power bill will be friggin' skyhigh. This would help the middle class bigtime, by taking away one major bill everyone has to pay, and instead they'd be getting paid for all the power they get to sell! This would also stimulate the economy, because companies would have so much work installing these in homes across the country. So now suppose I decide I'd like to take a trip up to Jersey to see the snow? Now what I gotta plug in my car 20x before I get there? Doesn't sound like a fun trip to me. I'd rather drive than fly anywhere in this country. More fuel efficient cars...great, let's have em'. But don't give US gearheads the big FU!! You say that's NOT what it's all about, but I still disagree IMO that's exactly what all the legislation against the auto industry has always been about...I guess we'll all have to wait and see what is to become of our freedoms!

 

They obviously need some rearanging, when they talk this blasphemy of eliminating V8's. I hate to break this to ya man, but the environmentalists have just been given full power, by a clueless voting public! Don't look now but the idiots are in charge.

 

I'm in complete agreement. Unfortunately most of that 52% of the voting public have no idea what they voted for, as these luntatics are going to be given even more power, a bailout will just prolong the obvious.

 

When talking about a bailout in terms on limits of V8's, months. Everyone knows that the bias against big SUV's has been going on for years, but there were no bailout plans years ago. Politicians see no need for large V8's in regular passenger cars, and who can blame them when they see high performance V6's doing the same job with better gas mileage. The new F150 from what I read does not even come available with a V6. Unfortunately they control the purse strings and have the right to call the shots when it is the taxpayers money involved.

 

And I see no need for a ton of stuff they spend my tax $$$ on!! Maybe it's time to let go of the big income tax checks at the end of the year, and start working under the table?