Everyone eats, everyone throws out organic materials. No amount of energy costs is going to change the fact that you throw out organic waste. People will give up alot of things before they start not eating.

 

I would buy E-85 even at a slight premium over gasoline.

It's the right thing to do.

 

You're doing the calculation wrong. The easiest way to understand it is to calculate the difference in fuel required to travel a set distance, say 500 miles

E85 @ 13mpg = 38.8 gallons
Gas @ 17mpg = 29.4 gallons
Difference: 9.4 gallons
Mileage decrease = 9.4/29.4 = 32% worse fuel economy

 

#1 thing we need to do is cut consumption. To keep things sustainable we really need to live on 1/4 the gas/Ethanol we do now, maybe even less. Down sizing cars, plug-in flex fuel hybrids, and better mass transit. I'm not sure what price point will get us there. $20 a gallon maybe Thats what I'm thinking it will take to get the average person use only 3-4 gallons a week.

 

I will NEVER use mass transit.. No matter what price gasoline/Ethanol is.. I will ALWAYS have a car...

I hate the mass transit propaganda... I dont live in NYC or L.A... and am not riding a bus to work with ghetto thugs from inner urban areas... I wonder if the people promoting mass transit have ever stepped foot in a NYC subway or bus.. Its god awful..

 

No chance of that, I'll brew my own fuel first.

It's time to innovate: no surrender, no compromise.

 

whats the deal with ethanol and emissions? is it better than gasoline??

 

whats the logic behind this? i mean seriously we should all cut back and just sit home all week for what to conserve crude? which is a resource that were trying to get away from? so the whole world should stop until we come up with an alternative fuel? by the way im not trying to be an *** but i mean what your saying just seems so out there.


yah i think people should cut back a little i mean i know i have cut back alot. but im not going to stop living and having fun.


what really needs to be done is to really push development of alternative fuel cars and we did with airplanes way back in the 20 and 30s.

 

That's what I plan on doing eventually.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/blog...html?nav=RSS20

 

I brew quite a bit of my own ethanol every summer ... doesn't seem to make it to my vehicles though

 

I guess you'll just have to make more.

 

I'm tempted to run E85 in my current car. I'd probably have to change the injectors, and re-tune the ECU, but that's about it. If only there were a station within 10 miles of my house:P

Although I'd be getting a little worse gas mileage, I can kick up the boost and timing and have a little fun Supposedly E85 equates to about 100-105 octane IIRC, so it's almost like running "race fuel".

 

depending on where you are. Here it is running 115-118 octane.

 

It isn't a choice you are going to have to make. The market will make it for you. Eventually exporting nations will either consume so much them selves that they no longer are exporters. Or they will start to hoard oil for them selves. When that day comes the USA will be force to rely of what we have, which is about 1/3rd of what we use now. With a growing population and declining production, the per capita oil will get smaller each year.

4 gallons * 70mpg = 280 miles a week or 14560 a year. Thats not so out there. We already have the technology. VW hybrid diesel rabbit for example. Plus once the plug in hybrids come out it will be very easy to average less than 3-4 gallons of gas a week.

Ethanol follows supply and demand. No one should ever expect Ethanol to cost less than 2/3rds what a gallon of gasoline costs. (wholesale prices)

 

Minimally cleaner. And even that's a reach considering that was the big selling point for E-85, which replaced MTBE.

So, basically, in E-10 it amounts to a glorified filler that gets you 90% of what you wanted for 100% of the price.