I can certainly recall a raft of statements from the time.

The simple fact of the matter is that neither the 300ZX or the Supra sold worth a damn, although both had been billed as competitors for the Corvette.




So, basically, you have no information and are simply choosing to argue...

erm...

Why?

You have no better information that what has been posted here, and I've admitted more than once we're all operating off of assumptions.

What part of 2.5 seconds on a road course did you miss? That's FOREVER in competition.

 

I appreciate your edit, and you are right - it flows off the tongue much better your way!

 

im a corvette guy so im a little biased <---- and yes robert i own one

i think most people on here are under estimating the gt-r. i did the same thing to the sti and it really did amaze me in all aspects.

i think in a road course track the gt-r will give the corvette a run for its money. and this is why i think the all wheel drive will and all wheel steering will help the car threw the turns. the corvette z06 has a race inspired suspension but will make unconfident drivers a little shaky. Now my friend that owns an sti and is die hard import made this argument. the problem with the GTR will be in the turns with the motor a person not expiernced with a turbo might let the rpm and boost fall to low where as the vett motor that doest matter and the pure hp and torque would give you an advantage.

he has a video of an sti thats 500hp against a z06 and the sti would take it in the corners but coming out of the Conrners the sti would get stomped

i personally feel if the GTR can keep wait down and come up with 450hp and smiler tq numbers it would defiantly be a good race to watch

 

Data point #2:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordsch...test_lap_times

Take with a grain of salt, it is Wikipedia after all...

 

Nice list; informative (assuming that it's accurate). It'd be nice if that list had model years on it....

 

I’m glad you have such a good memory. Nevertheless, what you recall and Nissan’s actual marketing intent for the Z are not necessarily the same. Just because you or someone feels that the Z was intended to draw sales from the Corvette doesn't make it so - your assertions are still just assertions and assertions made with no facts to back them up can and should be quickly dismissed.


I will always argue against invalid and one-sided comparisons; especially comparisons that are based on assumptions and made only in a person’s mind – it’s a pointless and ridiculous exercise and serves no one.


I missed nothing. As I said, it’s from one source not even written in English.

One head to head comparison is fine as far as it goes - all I’m suggesting is that one comparison is a flimsy foundation for broad conclusions.

This is just a hunch but I suspect that if the 911 had won that particular comparison you would find something wrong or unfair about how the comparison was conducted or you would simply dismiss it out of hand as you do most stories form the automotive press whenever such stories don’t espouse your views.

 

Dead. Killed. Gone. Failure.


2nd source provided.



2nd source provided... this time it's the 'Ring.


This is the same offal as before.

Either cough up data, or go pound sand. I got data, you got squat.

 

You can't PAY for entertainment like this.

 

I’m pleased that you agree that your argument based on your memory and assumptions about the Z’s intended market is dead, killed, gone and a failure as should all arguments based on conjecture be.

So let me make sure I understand, you who consistently derides virtually every article from every source and every person that doesn’t share your opinions are offering up Wikipedia as a source?

Ok.

Do we know which course at Nurburgring was used to generate these times?

Do we know what model years of cars posted these times?

Do we know the actual source for these times?

Do we know if these are manufacturer testing day times (which most people agree are the most consistent/fair) for all of these various cars, some of them, none of them?

A quick perusal of the Corvette forum would seem to indicate to me that there is some disagreement even there about what lap times the Z06 has posted at the ring but that aside, assuming these times are truly accurate then the Z06 is faster, on at least these two tracks, than the Porsche 911 Turbo.

So…what…does that mean everyone should go out and buy a Z06? Maybe you should tell GM to not bother wasting time and money to build a new Camaro since, apparently, any car that can’t beat a Z06 isn’t worthy of consideration, right?


“Cough up the data” to support what, exactly? What is it I’ve said that needs “data” (assuming, of course, that I could find a source of the caliber of Wikipedia)?

Do you mean I should supply "data” to support my statement that broad assertions based on one head to head competition (i.e. the Z06 beating the 911 turbo) is a flimsy foundation for those assertions? Do you really think anybody here but you thinks such a foundation isn’t flimsy?

Do you mean I should supply “data” to support my statement that proclaiming the Z06 the “winner” in a comparison existing only in your mind based on assumptions about a car not yet even in production is a ridiculous and pointless exercise? Again, do you think anybody but you really believes such a contrived comparison is meaningful?

I suspect that those who have any sort of an open mind know that what I just wrote are reasonable statements - those who have the ability to ignore any fact they don’t like will never be swayed by any “data” no matter what the source.

If, on the other hand, you are referring to my statement that “I suspect that if the 911 had won the comparison you would find something wrong or unfair about how the comparison was conducted or you would simply dismiss it out of hand as you do most stories from the automotive press whenever such stories don’t espouse your views” – that statement can be supported by anyone who wishes to take the time to read through a decent sampling of your posts here.

 

I have been a Corvette fan since elementary school. That said:

If the 7:54 time is for a regular little 295HP R34 GTR, then that shows how impressive they really are. It is a completely different philosophy from the Corvette. Simplicity in the Z06 versus practically every gizmo and gadget you could throw on a car in the GTR. Who knows what will happen with the R35.

 

Irony?