Clearly based on the 350z/G35 (very similar roofline, etc), but MUCH better looking than the bubble-ish current car. The front remains a mystery, of course, due to the camo. If it looks like the front of the concept, then . But still, the rest of the car is an improvement over the 350z for sure (and it isn't like the current 350z has a great looking front end, anyway).

 

I think, and this is just opinion, that the similar "look" isn't so much that it's "based" on the Z but that it's because you have essentially the same design team as you had for the Z and the G35.

It's also true that if you are looking to cheat the wind you are often going to wind up with a similar shape from one car to another.

The real issue is can you make the similar shape have its own unique style and be instantly recognizable without causing too much drag!

 

The 350Z looks similar, but is way nicer. Alot of the lines just don't flow for me. Definately goofy lookin' IMO.

 

love it

 

It is sweet!

As far as RWS the rears only turn up to like 15* so you wont really see it.

And I just found out today that our dealership is set to be one of the ones to actually sell these!!!

Anyone know when they are set to hit showrooms?

 

That car has a ghetto-bootie.

 

Seems to be "spring of 2008".

 

I kinda doubt it.

But they'd be welcome to try...

Heh.



If the current weight guesses I've seen are true (3900-4000lbs.) and a power rating in the area of 450-500hp, this car is no real threat to a Z51 C6.

A Z06 will eat it for breakfast, but I'd be curious of the price point.

Should they be able to keep the weight reasonable, it might give a Z51 a hard time if the LS2 is maintained at 400hp.

Basically, if you look at a GT500 vs. a Z51 C6, you have the same comparo all over again, apart from AWD - and the strong likelihood that the LS2's days are numbered...

 

Skyline's target has always been the 911 Turbo, and it has fared well against it on road courses (specifically, Nurburgring) for quite some time now.

It definitely won't keep up with the Z06 in a straight line, but I'll bet that it will surprise a few of you on a road course. I'm not saying it's going to win, but it's going to be a contender.

 

If I read the comparo between the 911 Turbo and the Z06 correctly, the 911 got beat up pretty good.

 

No offense intended to anyone but the constant drumbeat of "it can't beat a Z06" (where the "it" can be referring to almost anything and everything under the sun) is getting a bit tiresome.

I understand that GM aficionados want to defend their brand. I also understand that the Z06 is a great car. Clearly, there is little out there that can compete with it especially on what you get for the $$$ spent but let's at least recognize that there are other great cars at many price points and that not everything produced by every manufacturer needs to "beat the Z06" to be a great car or be worthy of consideration.

As was discussed in another thread, there are reasons to buy the Porsche Turbo (or a GT-R or a GT500 or a Viper or some other great car) that go beyond whether it does or does not beat a Z06 in any given comparison.

One-upmenship bragging rights don't usually last long in the automotive world - about the only thing more fleeting than being on the "top of the heap" in terms of one or more performance categories are military secrets. Such bragging rights usually expire long before the payments do.

EDIT; One more thought; let’s also realize that at least in terms of the GT-R; comparing it to a C6 (of whatever flavor) is especially unproductive…there is almost nothing known about the GT-R’s specifications right now and ‘comparisons” to ZO6 capabilities are using nothing more than assumed “facts” about the GT-R…I’d suggest that everyone would be better served if such comparisons are tabled at least wait until we have a real, live production car to compare to a real live production car.

 

IIRC: It lost by 2.5 seconds; times were in the 1:40's at that track.

I'm guessing that the Skyline will beat the 911 Turbo (since that has perenially been Nissan's goal), but probably not the Z06. That said, if the Skyline beats the 911 by 1 second, it's only 1.5 behind the Z06, and I'd say that's worth some respect.

 

This is a domestic board! How dare you suggest that other factors could be weighed next to or more than hp/dollar or track numbers.

For shame.

 

I think the CZ28 community could use some more blaspheming of this variety.

 

The stated goal was to run with a 911 Turbo.

The 911 Turbo is, from a performance standpoint using objective data, inferior to the Z06.

Therefore, from a performance standpoint, it is very reasonable to predict that the GTR will be inferior to the Z06 from a performance standpoint.

Price-point may be an issue, but I have not yet seen announced prices for the GTR.

Finally, and the more important point to my mind, if the car ends up at 500hp and 4000 lbs. it will be incapable of out-performing a Z51 C6, let alone a Z06 - as proven by the GT500.



I would agree that if the car is radically different in intent, then the Z06 is not an appropriate target.

For instance, a BMW M5 vs. a Z06 doesn't make much sense.

BUT, if you target market is along the lines of the 911 Turbo, which seems to be the consensus here for the GTR... well... then Nissan is shooting for being #3 (it can easily be argued that the Viper is a stiffer challenger than the 911 Turbo from a performance standpoint).

AND since the Z06 and the 911 Turbo ARE direct competitors... it seems to me that Nissan announced it's target and didn't take into account the fact that the Z06 is a more capable car in many objective respects... or has chosen to ignore it.

Fair enough, the market will decide whether or not enough people believe "other factors" are enough to sway the decision.

BUT, if you're looking to win races, the choice is clear.


Unless somebody is consistently getting their a$$e$ kicked... then it is reasonable to make a sweeping statement regarding the ability of their offerings to perform.

Furthermore, objective data is easy to use - there's no BS opinion ("the interior is more pleasing to the eye"... "it's got more status"...) in it. Either the car is faster, or it isn't. All of the "other factors" you claim pretty much fall into that category.