104 would not be slow. However, the vast majority are running 98-100 mph - which is slow for a car with close to the same power-to-weight ratio as a 98 T/A.

Shotgun...you can turn it off in the Mustang, but there is speculation that the computer still has its hands in things. I cannot verify - only repeat.

RobWS6....don't think there is anybody stupid enough yet.

 

I can't say I've had any problems with mine as far as the computer backing off the power.I don't do long smokey burnouts though,I don't see any reason to do them anyway.My T/C is always OFF unless its raining,so maybe that helps.If your thinking about buying the stang Guy,I don't think you will be dissapointed.

 

True, we dont have a brand new one to put it into right now, but there are plenty of good used ones available, that the LS2 will drop right down into and if rumors are true, and I believe they are, you will have a new one to choose from in the very near future. Providing that GM does a good job on it, I just hope that all the people who complain about there not being a New Camaro available right now, actually go out and buy one when they come back.

 

This might shock a few here - but goofy gauges aside, I like the new Mustang. But they are not a very good performance value since they are not discounted. Too much of a feeding frenzy underway, and the dealers know it. Phooey.

 

Give it 6 months and they'll be discounting the hell out of em - either that, or they'll be setting new sales records.

 

I still want to see the before and after results of computer tuning alone with everything else stock, with the torque management defeated first but still with the 87 octane tune and then with a 93 octane tune. It would IMO be an interesting test.

 

Hot Rod magazine mentions it, and Bob points out that Super Ford and 5.0 magazines mention how to get around it, so it doesn't seem like an assumption.



As far as reflashing the computer, it will still measure and store info when the engine, drivetrain, and wheel speed differs. Something goes wrong and you have to bring it in, all your dealer's shop has to do is plug in and not only does he know that the drivetrain has been "abused", he also knows that the ECU has been modified since it wasn't prevented.


I really got thinking about it after I took my 1st test drive of a late model Cobra a local dealer was going to let go for $25K. I missed out on that deal, but the new Mustang started to grow on me and unlike Pontiac dealers on the GTO, the dealer was going to let it go for sticker if I ordered a new one (all GTs coming in for the forseeable future are all spoken for).

The '97 Z just turned over 156,000 miles. It's still doing well, but with the SC now at 205,000, and my having no intention of selling it anytime soon (awesome car... can Monte Carlo owners say that? ) I really should get something newer.

 

Thats the sweetness of a programmer. Just plug it in put the stock program back and erase all the codes. It takes about 10 min. or less.

 

GuionM, wait for the Mach 1 a year from now...5.4L 370hp, 6 speed...there'll be no need for reflashing!

 

Hey Guy, it might be slower, but I'd take a 87 Monte Carlo SS over a Tbird anyday.

 

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But there's one thing I don't follow. I think it was Motor Trend that said Ford programmed the TCS so that if you dumped the clutch you could do a burnout with the system still turned on...that the system can tell the difference between slippery road conditions and wanting to have fun.

If that's the case and MT was correct, then the above makes no sense to me...

 

Also Ford has been supporting the SVT market with track days where it wouldnt void your warranty "excessive speed" codes in the black box etc. I think if Ford keeps the trend up they will come up with some sort of easy way around this for track days, keeping control of your car in the burnout box and for the 1st 60ft will be critical. Ford has been supporting it's enthusiasts and I dont see that as changing.

I dont see this as an issue. Give it a year and it'll all be solved.

 

I'd even take an 87 SS over an 87 Thunderbird. What I'm talking about is the 1989 to 1994 Thunderbird SC, versus Lumina & Monte Carlos of that time.

A V6 FWD marginal quality, early to mid 90s, 2 door Lumina over a supercharged, RWD, BMW beating (at the time) handling, manual transmission, over engineered, Mustang-like accelerating, 145 mph, great looking & still solid 10-15 years later Thunderbird?

No contest.

Either Ford changed their mind, or MT didn't try it themselves, or Hot Rod & the 2 Ford mags overstated the ECU's intrusion.

Any of you new Mustang GT buyers want to chime in on this (the 2 GTs the local dealer has are customer orders & they aren't letting anyone drive these... ironically, they were letting people test drive someone's V6 a month ago).