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Old Oct 26, 2005 | 08:43 PM
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Re: Same day, same dyno, same track Z06 vs. Viper vs. GTurd

My 1969 RS/SS turns more heads than any new car....I'd sell it for $150k too
Old Oct 26, 2005 | 09:32 PM
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The Ford GT has nothing to be ashamed of, it has already been tested into the 10.9's with just sticky tires and has hit traps as high as 133 with several tests reporting 131 mph traps. The car is going to be replaced with something better in the future. Corvette owners have been looking for a Viper killer for years as the cars are in the same class and they finally got it, it does not make the GT any less than what it is. By comparison quite a few super cars of today are actually slower than they were 10 years ago and the Z06 will clean their clocks as well. For what it is and the market it was created for it's a hit, the same as the Ford GT going by the $100,000 markup that people are paying for them. Both cars are winners.
Old Oct 26, 2005 | 10:42 PM
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I don't know, I think there is something more than a little iffy about that test. Why the heck did the GT get 4+ seconds higher on the road course than the Z06 w/ the Viper closely behind the Z06?? That makes zero sense on such a short track w/o some kind of error or something. I mean maybe the Z06 should have topped the GT anyway, but by 4+ seconds? There's no way the Viper should have beaten the GT by 3+ seconds either...

The GT didn't exactly lose the rest of the test either, it may have been marginal but it did win the 1/4 straight up MPH and ET wise, win the 0-100 etc...

Frankly I'm more excited about the bitchslap the Z06 gave the Viper, finally the Corvette steps up to stomp on the snake's head... Still cheaper plus it's a more liveable car for daily/weekend driving than the Viper...


{EDIT} I see from reading the full article that they broke the original GT and replaced it with some beat on engineering car, perhaps that and some tentative driving accounts for the full on 4+ second beat down after the 1/4 runs and such were run w/ the original car. That kinda throws all the numbers from the GT into limbo darnit.

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Old Oct 26, 2005 | 10:57 PM
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Re: Same day, same dyno, same track Z06 vs. Viper vs. GTurd

some thoughts......

Both are great cars.

Competition atwixt Ford and Chevy is a good thing.

Missing the hell outta my Z06. (had to turn it in)

Genuinely amazed at the performance of the Z06.......and it's kinda hard to 'amaze' me.

The GT is a great looking car......and has the 'wow' factor in part because of its exclusivity and exotic look.

The Z06, while having different body panels than the Corvette Coupe.....does not 'stand out'...esp. in certain colors. I was quite surprised at the number of enthusiasts that would do a 'double-take' after being around the Z06 for a few minutes. It didn't necessarily register to them as to what they were looking at......this goes back to June.

I don't think Ford's done yet!

Neither are we!

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Old Oct 26, 2005 | 10:59 PM
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Re: Same day, same dyno, same track Z06 vs. Viper vs. GTurd

oh yeah........one more thing.


..........what the hell do I know?
Old Oct 26, 2005 | 11:05 PM
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Re: Same day, same dyno, same track Z06 vs. Viper vs. GTurd

Originally Posted by Red Planet
I don't think Ford's done yet!

Neither are we!
....I hope that continues on for generations to come
Old Oct 27, 2005 | 02:52 AM
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Re: Same day, same dyno, same track Z06 vs. Viper vs. GTurd

Originally Posted by Red Planet
some thoughts......

Both are great cars.

Competition atwixt Ford and Chevy is a good thing.

Missing the hell outta my Z06. (had to turn it in)

Genuinely amazed at the performance of the Z06.......and it's kinda hard to 'amaze' me.

The GT is a great looking car......and has the 'wow' factor in part because of its exclusivity and exotic look.

The Z06, while having different body panels than the Corvette Coupe.....does not 'stand out'...esp. in certain colors. I was quite surprised at the number of enthusiasts that would do a 'double-take' after being around the Z06 for a few minutes. It didn't necessarily register to them as to what they were looking at......this goes back to June.

I don't think Ford's done yet!

Neither are we!
LOL. I agree with this guy. Mark your calenders!!!
Old Oct 27, 2005 | 02:59 AM
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Anyone have the full article on hand? post up.
Old Oct 27, 2005 | 03:33 AM
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Re: Same day, same dyno, same track Z06 vs. Viper vs. GTurd

Here's a post on corvetteforum w/ it scanned, not sure if you have to be a memeber or not to view their posts...

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...0&forum_id=100
Old Oct 27, 2005 | 04:29 AM
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Great read. Thanks.
Old Oct 27, 2005 | 07:43 AM
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Re: Same day, same dyno, same track Z06 vs. Viper vs. GTurd

Didn't read the entire post, but the Gallardo is not speculation at all. It was already test driven on some show on TLC. I don't remember what the show is really called, but it's made for the BBC, two or three English guys. It was on over a month ago.
Old Oct 27, 2005 | 08:05 AM
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Re: Same day, same dyno, same track Z06 vs. Viper vs. GTurd

Originally Posted by number77
Its funny how the Ford GT was supposed to be a poor man's super car, beating out the Ferrari 360...yet the Z06 costs half as much, and can take on much more than a Ferrari 360 and Ford GT.

The Camaro is the poor man's corvette. The Corvette is every kids dream. The z06 is the poor man's super car.

edit: And it has better gas mileage. Go GM!
It's funny how people forget that Camaro beat Mustang in almost every catagory, yet Mustang got the attention and Camaro got the axe, and now some people are clamoring about how the Z06 is so much better than the Ford GT simply because it costs less.

People buy cars for different reasons. If you don't have pizazz to go along with things, you don't get the glory.

Ford GT is attracting the attention, the rich racers, and is defining the company. When you are selling a car above the $65-70K mark, you better have a name or some unique styling.

My prediction stands. Corvette fans buy theirs, then sales tank... just like the ZR1.
Old Oct 27, 2005 | 08:13 AM
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Re: Same day, same dyno, same track Z06 vs. Viper vs. GTurd

Originally Posted by God Himslef
oh yeah........one more thing.


..........what the hell do I know?
I was just about to question that...
Old Oct 27, 2005 | 08:54 AM
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Re: Same day, same dyno, same track Z06 vs. Viper vs. GTurd

Originally Posted by guionM
...and now some people are clamoring about how the Z06 is so much better than the Ford GT simply because it costs less.
Not just less. ONE HALF as much, and pretty solidly outperforms the GTurd where Corvettes make their living - on a road course.


Originally Posted by guionM
My prediction stands. Corvette fans buy theirs, then sales tank... just like the ZR1.
I'll take that bet. Chevrolet will sell every one they build, with ease... UNLESS the car is allowed to stagnate. The rumblings of forced induction derivatives should be enough, if they come to fruition, to stave off any stagnation.

The ZR1 truly died because the base Vette, for far less money, started to encroach on the performance level that the ZR1 offered and the integration of OBD II would have cost too much to justify. The price differential now is far lower (I've heard that in equivalent dollars a ZR1 would go for around $100k... which I think would be about accurate without having researched it myself). The LS7, because it does not evidence radical differences in engine electrical architecture relative to the rest of the LSx family (it's basically a glorified, AND BOY-HOWDY IS THAT AN UNDERSTATEMENT, 5.3 liter truck motor).

The price differential now is much lower, comparitively speaking, between the Z06 and a Z51, and the performance difference has no real danger of shrinking in the near future.

The GT will forever be known now as the $150,000 car that can't outperform a $70,000 Corvette.
Old Oct 27, 2005 | 10:07 AM
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Re: Same day, same dyno, same track Z06 vs. Viper vs. GTurd

Originally Posted by Gold_Rush
Let me refresh your mind, both GR1 and Cobra were based off the GT platform with lots of carryover parts. Clearly, production feasibility was the goal here. Both were powered by a 605hp 6.4L N/A v10. And both should be significantly cheaper than the current GT (since alot of parts and engineering were initially done for and paid for by GT). So would this car hold its own against the cars you've mentioned? I'd hope and expect so. Right now, it doesn't make much fiscal sense NOT to have a replacement for the GT after a short 2 year stint.
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I don't need to be refreshed, I am aware of both cars. I am aware they are both concepts, and even though they share many of the componentry of the Ford GT does, I have yet to hear about any production plans for them. I am not trying to say Ford shouldn't build them, quite the contrary, but we have yet to hear anything definitive at all.

Last I read, a Ford GT and a Ferrari F430 ran within .3 seconds of each other on the track. Thats not really putting a whooping on the competion. The F430 is $180k, at that pricepoint I don't really think it is that much more expensive than the Ford, and good like finding the Ford at MSRP. The Challenge version of the car will beat the GT, and Ford will have nothing to answer with it. My point for bringing up the up and coming Lambos, Ferraris, etc, was that Ford was on top in their segment with the GT for very little time, and until we here more about the GR-1 (last I read there seemed to be a very dim reality on the Shelby Cobra actually being produced), Ford will have nothing to fire back with.



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