There's a huge problem with it! Assuming the insurance argument is true... then supercharged V6's outsell the V8's... they Chevy decides to dump one of them... guess which one loses out? THE V8!

Let's not make the Camaro into a glorified domestic-ricer. If you can't afford the insurance on a Z/28, then wait until you turn 30 like I did!

There is no way now how anyone is ever going to convince me that a supercharged V6 Camaro is a good idea.

Give the base model a mild V6... the Z/28 a 375 HP V8... and the SS a 450 HP supercharged V8.

 

I disagree.. As bad as it sounds as times change for the camaro to surviive it needs to change too. If that means power is a supercharged 300 HP V6 then welcome new z28... Make the SS the V8. Sales not nostaliga keep a car alive... Then on special years make it wild.. Like a 50th anniversary or 40th

 

Are you suggesting the Z/28 should have a supercharged V6????

Oh my GOD... NO!!!! Then the Camaro should remain DEAD!

I'm getting fed up with this me-me-me generation. All you guys want are stripes, wings and cars that "sound" fast! Let's face it... you're closet ricers.... so go buy a WRX!

When I was your age I couldn't afford to buy a new Camaro because of the insurance. I had to wait until I could, so I bought a lesser vehicle biding my time until I could afford the insurance on a Z/28.

The Z/28 should never have anything less than a V8. If that CAN'T happen, then the Camaro should remain DEAD!

 

I am 28. I would never add a erector set wing or buy a civic, but I had as much fun with my 2.8 third gen as my current z. To me it is sort of like Nascar using carbs.. Come on we are in the days of fuel injecton lets move up... Look at al lteh great cars uinsg a 6, prosche, Nisan 350 Z or supra, what about the Buick Grand National or Turbo TA....

 

Or visa versa.

There are certain aspects of Camaro that are sacred. One of them is that the Z/28 is a high powered V8, razor sharp, tough as nails performance car. That is non-negotiable.

But I think that there is room for other and different Camaro performance options.


It'll be good for the brand.

 

Even though the Z/28 was the first one with the stripes, I'd rather the Z/28 become a stripped down racer while the SS becomes the funky option *****.

 

And the Corvette first only came with a 6 and now it only comes with a V8.

 

You had as much fun with your 2.8 as you have with your current Z? You're kidding us right?

Going back to a few other posts, it seems that every so often 2 themes return even after they have been banished.

A 1997 Integra has higher insurence than my 1997 Z28. So does an Eclipse. And yes, so does a Mustang GT, all of the same year. I know because I actually checked when I changed insurence companies a couple of years ago. A Corvette would have actually cost me the same to insure as my Z28. That means a 1997 LS1 Corvette with around 350 horsepower would have cost me less in insurence than a Acura Integra. The reason is (as bad as it is to say this) more young and inexperienced drivers are attracted to Mustangs & Integras.

The 2nd is that the Camaro needs to change with the times. There are plenty other cars that buyers can turn to if they want a so-called "contemporary" car. Colbalt SS seems like it's going to be a winner, especially with a blower. Does anyone actually want a Porsche, a 350Z, or a Supera as a Camaro (didn't the Nissan Z and Supera die in the 90s at the same time our prehistoric Camaro & Mustang were doing very well?). Adding the Grand National and Turbo T/A to this list completes a high priced lineup that I think is completely opposite to what Camaro represents.

 

Ya it was a blast to play with... It was a tone eaiser to work on... I changed plugs and wires each year and it took under 30 minutes. I could pull the plenum, throttle body and manifold in under an hour and clean it and play... Just playing was fun...

 

Well...alright then.

 

I am not against a S/C'd V6 as an upgrade to the base model, but I am against it as a Z28 or an SS.

I don't see too much difference between a small V8 and a S/C'd V6 for a base model upgrade ... especially if the S/C was offered by GM via "factory aftermarket"... though I would perfer an intermediate V8.

I wouldnt worry about a V8 Z28 or SS being dropped if the S/C'd 6 did well either...

 

Their is alot that can be gained for Camaro by studying those cars. The Supra and 300ZX died because they were artificially priced with exotics...not because they weren't good cars.

And I wish that the 5th gen would have the quality and refinement that a 10-15 year old Porsche 924/944/944T/928 had.

 

I think a S/C V-6 RS package would be great, but not for the Z-28. Now a S/C V-8 SS package like the cobra would be an interesting concept.

 

There NEEDS to be a high performance V6 in the Camaro line up. The 350Z shows a market for a high performance V6 in a 2+2 car. It would be a great base model.

$20,000 (Camry Killer)
Base: 220hp 3.9L pushrod V6
-offer sport appearance package (to look like base SS)

(Target the youth with this one!)

$25,000 (350Z Fighter)
RS : 290-300hp Supercharged 3.5L V6 from the Pontiac G6 (concept had 285hp).

-OR-

300hp turbo Atlas I5 (concept in the Bel Air had 300hp)
-comes stock with sport appearance package
-optional suspension package that shares components with the SS

$30,000 (Cobra Eater)
SS : 6.0L GenIV 420hp
-offer optional hood to differentiate it slightly from sport appearance

Z28 would be more as an option on the SS. Not a different model. SS with the Z28 option.

(SS+$5000 option)
Z28 (Corvette chaser):
Same 6.0L from the SS but it is an optioned differently
-unique body and appearance: different hood and spoiler and front splitter
-unique suspension package not available with any other model
-larger rims and wider tires
-sport seats, manual transmission only
-no convertible available

The Z28 isn't too radical (like being a stripper or having some insane motor). All easy bolt on's at the factory. To have multiple models, they all have to be easily created from each other. Here we have 4 models, but only 3 engines, the same body with different hoods, spoilers, wheels (all easily bolted on), and differentiation. There should be more differentiation with the SS and the Z28, but it has to be economically feasible. All of them should have IRS designed into them to save on cost. The Z28 fighters on this board I'm sure would want a LOT more on the 5th gen Z28 I listed here, but this one is the most economically feasible version based on the SS and only with changes in bolt in items like seats and hood. Nissan does this with the 350Z and the 350Z track. Different wheels and suspension on the same model. This lineup I think has better production possibilities.

GMPD would have dealer upgrades available to the cars once they are received (Just like the SRT-4 and PVO).

Base:
Cat back exhaust
Intake

RS (targeting youth here with the turbo/supercharged motor upgrades like the SRT-4 has at the dealer):
Stage I: chip and intake: 15-20hp
Stage II: Stage I + Exhaust + Pulley: 60hp
Stage III: Stage II + larger pulley + cam gears: 80hp (The 3.5L and the Atlas are DOHC engines, cam gears are possible).
Each packages comes with appropriate badging to be put on the car

Z28 and SS:
Exhaust
Intake

 

Why does the 2 seater 350Z keep popping up here? The 4 seat G35 is the same chassis, the same engine, close to the same weight, cheaper, and is alot closer to the Camaro than the 350Z.