Originally Posted by Chrome383Z

What's your definition of Modern? A played-out Jellybean?

Just because we go Artistically back to our Roots, does not mean the vehicles are not "Modern".

I don't know what you are afraid of? You act like because we are going back to actual GM design cues, you think we're going to start putting Drum Brakes on all 4 corners or something... You only have to go as far as the Charger, 300, HHR to an extent to see that THIS is what the American people want... Not some hashed out version of an Import.......

Originally Posted by Darth Xed

Ya, but to be fair the "jellybean" Impala, Camry and Accord all outsell the Charger and 300 (and HHR, not that that in the segment, though...)

Also, Cadillac pulled off probably the best modern-day turnaround for a brand with new, exciting styling that wasn't heavily and blatantly based on something from the past....

Originally Posted by Chrome383Z

Well, also to be fair the Charger and 300 are fairly new on the market, and afaik are not really "geared" at the Impala or Camry. And even if they were, it would take years to develop that level of sales with a new model.

Originally Posted by 2K1SunsetSS

if this is true i really give up on GM to come up with anything modern.

Originally Posted by Darth Xed

I think Charger and 300 are shooting straight at the Impala, Camry, Accord market... they directly replaced Intrepid and Concorde. I think these cars are exactly what you are proposing... an "Impala with stand-out styling". On the positive side for these cars, I believe they are selling better than the cars they replaced, even if they haven't passed up any of the heavy hitters in sales in their segment.

Originally Posted by Chrome383Z

After looking at the data, I'd really believe if Chevy would offer a little more attractive styling to the Malibu that it could be the Camry/Accord competitor and take the place of the current Impala. Let the Impala fill a niche like the 300 is my opinion. Malibu is basically the same size as the Camry and Accord, but Cheaper! I just can't get over the looks... Albiet alittle better with the 06' Refresh...

Originally Posted by Chrome383Z

I for one look at it differently. I think the Domestics "lost their way" in the late 70's, 80's, 90's... etc... (In cars, not Trucks)...

I think instead of trying to look like Imports, let's make an Impala look like an IMPALA. Ditto with the Camaro that I think we all agree even though it's got 1st gen cues, We've accepted it as a Camaro. I think GM got off track trying to copy a competitor and lost their soul so to speak. Going back to it's "Roots", to me is just like a person that left home and failed, and has returned home to get their bases all in a row.

I think going back to Artistically Refreshing cars with cues from the very images we all have in our head when we think: Impala, Camaro, Charger, etc... is a VERY SMART MOVE and hopefully the turnaround for the domestics. They need to realized who they were as they seem to have forgot that...

Originally Posted by Caps94ZODG

OKay guys was thinking about this today on my way to work, I was in the lane waiting for the light to turn and the opposite traffic was turning in my direction...I kinda zoned out and blured my eyes, as the cars went by I noticed something then I went back in focus and saw the car go by, civic, malibu,corrolla, subaru, another malibu, and the list goes on for about 10 12 mid size 4 door cars of diffrent manufacureres..they all when I blured my vision really did not stand out from one another they all had the same look, roll down the street and stance...

then it dawned on me....

lets go back to the 50's and you saw style, things that were amazing cars comming out with new features, fins, grills of all shapes and sizes, flares and what not, this continued into the 60's with the same thing dramatic styling, jaw dropping looks, in your face cars, the 70's were the end of that era, the gas crunch brought a new style to our shores..imported euro styling, Japanese small car styling, those cars sold, we emulated them. The term Euro inspired, Euro Handeling was now the key word for anything built in America, japan showed us small inexpensive cars that were great deals built good but lacked that one thing...style.... so from the early 80's on we go into the 90's the cars we grew up with are now the cars we are buying, they have gone from the simple cars of cheap dependable import to cover the whole range of mid level and dependable, to luxuryious but still no style..
this is what people grew up on Toyota making a name for its self in everything it does right, Honda too...they do everything that we didnt know how to do and took the style away from our cars, we had to emulate the competition, we did not know how to do anything else..our once great sedans, rolling artwork were now having to prove its almost as good or try to in the areas that the mass market and media have been feeding us for so long...Euro this and Japans quality.. this had gone on for some time now..

move up to late 90's something broke and took a gamble, Caddy broke with tradition and threw everyone for a curve, alot of mags said great things about the car CTS..it was an american car..had american styling since no one would try what Caddillac did...could hang with the euro cars, built well enough to be on par with Japans luxury..but it had something more..style..it looked diffrent rolling down the street...along comes DCX, they take this and they run with it, all there cars Crossfire, 300C, Charger all following what GM's study in style did, make something that isnt what is already out there, blow the cookie cutter mold up and start fresh...Ford did it by stepping back in time with its Mustang...it works for them...style is the key here...

The reason for me saying this is alot of people hate the way the new Charger is done looks ugly, wierd, whatever you want to say, I think it is AMERICAN STYLE that is finally comming around...if that car was in the same 12 cars that went by it would not blend it, just like a CTS these cars stand out, they are not made in the same way American car companies have had to make cars to appeal to the bland cars or Toyota and Honda, these cars have style and are built on as good as or better platforms than what we were trying to emulate only a few years ago.

Love it or hate it I think cars like the Charger are what is needed here in America, style has to play a roll and I think alot of us have been force fed so much on what a good looking car should look like now if it dosnt blurr in with the rest of the cars then it dosnt look right..that to me isnt american styling..we have the capability now to make cars that are as good as the competition I think we just need to get our artistic side back and actually make rolling works of art again. DCX Ford and GM have already set that in motion, I think we just have to understand and embrace it.

These new cars are what American Cars should be.......

Originally Posted by BigDarknFast

So true! And like was also stated... if Chevy styles a new Impala with the same success of the new Camaro concept's style, they will have a MAJOR hit on their hands when it hits showrooms.

Originally Posted by Z284ever

I've been told that the Impala is very much like the Camaro concept in the way it's styling is executed. The way the Camaro takes '67-'69 cues and details and re-interprets them into a modern proportioned coupe. On the Impala, think the same conceptually, but use '65-'67 Impala cues and wrap it all in a modern proportioned sedan.

And this one is still online to be our first Zeta.

And here's a juicy tidbit. This car will be engineered to accept a manual trans. Why? Holden will want it's Commodore platform-mate to have one.

Originally Posted by 91Z28350

Am I the only one who gets excited about the current trend in Detroit? A LS3- 6 spd Impala SS? Damn straight brother, we will be an all Chevy family if that is the case. I like the Challenger, but if I could get a slick looking sedan with a manual AND the fire-snorting Camaro? Tell me where we sign our John Hancocks.