I'm glad some of you liked the SS concept. I niether loved it nor hated it. It failed to evoke much emotion in me either way....strange because it was a design that really seemed to reach...but for me it seemed to miss it's mark somehow.

RP has posted here afew times that no matter what they do...50% will love it and 50% will hate it. Well, I propose that they need to really bring up that average.

If we see a Camaro concept soon...I'm hoping that most on this board will absolutely love it. Some may not like it....but the majority here will need to give it a 10 out of 10.

That would be way better than the response the SS got and EXPONENTIALLY better than the BelAir.

As I cruise the Mustang boards, there are some Mustang people that didn't like the concept. But 95% absolutely, positively, no doubt about it, LOVED IT!!!!


A Camaro concept has to be better than Bel Air, has to be better than SS...in fact has to better than any Chevy concept in recent memory.......
and it HAS to score better than 50/50, among Camaro enthusiasts.

 

No, while the car I saw had certain Camaro design cues I can't say it screamed Camaro. I don't think anyone there would say it screams Camaro. I don't think many of the people there even new that Camaro had existed for the past 35 years (a very wide cross-section of people was there). A RETRO design would scream Camaro to me, but as we all know that is not what Camaro is about. Conceptually the difference between my 4th gen and this concept was as big a jump as 1st gen to 2nd gen. The length was so different it was shocking to me (in a good way). The car had the stance, grille, and hood of a 1st gen, the headlights of a third gen (i.e. dual headlights only round not square), taillights of an early 2nd gen (see SS concept), and flowing lines like a 4th gen.

It was a different design but the subtle cues made it a Camaro in my mind. I don't know how many people there would recognize it as a Camaro. I'm gonna edit the original GONGOS post with as many of the details as I can remmember so that way you guys can make up your own mind.

 

No suprises here. Who said the Chevelle was not a possibility? Right now things are changing fast so nothing is out of the question.
-many here put too much in names.
You want GM to tell you this is the next Camaro but they won't.... so look in unexpected places.

 

I think this post might have made my mind up...your description leads me further to the Chevelle side. I'll tell you why...dual round headlights, check out a 70 chevelle, bet they would remind us a lot of those. Dual round Taillights, 71-72 chevelle...on the SS concept the chrome style rear end with the dual taillights reminds me so much of a 71-72 chevelle bumper i don't even have to look twice. In the way you've described the hood, i think it could go either way...and the dead give away is red planet saying the SS was NOT going to be a camaro...he basically said it does not have the ***** to be a camaro not taking anything away from Chevelles. I really hope i'm wrong, i really do...I want a 5th gen just as much as the rest of you, but from the SS concept and danno's perception of the car he seen i'd have to say 90% Chevelle 10 % Camaro.

Either way i think this will be great, Chevy needs something quick....think of it this way Chevy Chevelle/Pontiac GTO.......and.........Chevy Camaro/Pontiac Firebird! Like it should be...Like it always was. Those 4 nameplates IMO will knock Ford/Mopar/and...won't mention those other 'things' Right back on there A$S. I believe they're working on the 5th gen, but i don't believe it is what danno saw...Just my opinion guys, feel free to bash away

 

Well, I looked around a bit and here are pictures of a Chevelle and Camaro. These are the ones that I found that best fit the "concept car".





I'm not too familiar with Chevelles, but I was surprised how much it did look like the concept. Note the fog lights in the bumper. That said, 1969 best fit the bill as far as the Chevelle went. The Camaro pic I believe is a '67 since it doesn't have side reflectors.

Conclusion: Your guess is as good as mine....

 

Danno...hate to keep bugging you....

but, just so I can get an idea of the positive or negative impact this coupe you saw had on you.

How would you rate these cars. 1 thru 10. 1 being worst 10 being best.

1) BelAir concept

2) SS concept

3) Mustang concept

4) Concept you saw at focus group

 

I wish that is a new Camaro, many of us and everywhere will rather have a Camaro than a chevelle( not that a new chevelle is bad), it's just keeps me thinking "why a short chevelle"? and why GM is advertising the 1st gen

 

I think we'll get Both Like i said i think we should get these two pairs Chevelle/GTO and Camaro/Firebird I just can't see the camaro coming back without the Firebird, it just wouldn't be right...I wish one of us were in control of GM, i think we'd do a pretty good job


Chevelles and F-bodies

 

I don't see all four cars coming back...way too much market segment overlap. We have to be realistic.

 

1) BelAir = 2. It's a Thunderbird on stilts, didn't like it at all.
2) SS concept = 6. I liked the lines of the concept but the dimensions were too damn big and I didn't like the front end at all. I found the fender flares grotesque.
3) Mustang concept = 5. OK looking car but it was too RETRO. It also seems like half a car to me. It has the same stance as a current Mustang but the roofline looks like it is cut in half to make the car look more sleek(yeah, that works)
4)Study concept = 8. I would have loved the design in its entirety had it not been for the hood and grille. The stance and dimensions of the car were RIGHT ON. While the grille looked a hundred times better than the SS concept to me, it looked disjointed from the rest of the body. It looked like it was slapped on and not thought out completely. Plus I could see subtle RETRO design cues on the hood and grill (not a fan of RETRO). The rear profile of the car flat out kicked ***. Oh yeah the concept did NOT have a rear metal insert (like the SS). It was one solid color which made it look sleeker and meaner in my book.

 

Sounds like you liked it.

I also get the impression that it had the same general proportions as the current Mustang....is that correct?

 

Anything can happen....but I think we won't get 4 models. I think we'll get 2. It's gonna be Chevy Camaro/ Pontiac GTO.

 

I hope you are right, and that is what I think also
Chevy Camaro, GTO

 

I did like it, I just thought the hood and grille were a bit RETRO. Take a look at the latest photochop, that car is what I saw. The length was a little longer than the Mustang, but shorter than the Accord. The wheelbase was longer than the Mustang and about the same as the accord (103-105). It was taller than a 4th gen but not as upright as the Mustang. Great proportions if you ask me. It was as if someone read all of the countless threads we've had on this board regarding the subject. There looked to be actual rear seats too .


http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...postid=1013593

 

I know its a PS, but that still looks lousy. The SS Concept did and that thing does too.