The Z06 still trumps Ford's Mustang efforts. The C6 version of the Z06 will be a make-or-break car for GM if they want to continue leading the performance world.

BTW, a 400 hp, S/C Mustang GT? I'll believe it when I see it.

 

Same here. I'm just quoting sources.

 

That's a huge comment for arm-chair racing, don't you think?

The '03 Cobra has been praised by the madia and even Corvette-owners alike for it's level of performance - ESPECIALLY for the price. You guys practically ran-off Johnny Hunkins when he came in here trying to "warn" everybody about the Cobra having Z06-level performance - and after he ACTUALLY EXPERIENCED IT, and we hadn't even seen one.

Also, How DOES the Z06 "trump" the Mustang's efforts anyways... by being $20k more? Having 2 less seats? By having the same hp-rating? oh yeah, by having more fiber glass in it - that's right! Boy those Mustangs just can't fluant that fiber glass at all, can they?

 

Here we go again!!! "Let's throw the Corvette at something because we don't have anything else to compare it too". Am I the only person here who think's it's pretty pathethic, and is baffled whenever someone reaches for a Corvette to try to dismiss everything from a Neon SRT-4, to WRXs & EVO8s, to Ford Mustangs?? At least the Corvette Viper comparason is in the ball park, but some of you guys....

No telling about what GT's horsepower will be. But being that the "fox" chassis, while prehistoric, was one of the lightest chassis ever made for it's size, and the better built new Mustang will be heavier, and be an LS1 slayer, 400 horsepower shouldn't be dismissed so easily. I personally think it will be in the 360 range, but I'm not doubting 400 by a long shot!

The new Cobra will be much quicker than it is now, but most of you are forgetting that the GT will have a complex intercooler system that Cobra won't. Also, the Ford GT will be a few hundred pounds lighter than the Cobra. Even if both cars had identical engines, the GT would still be alot quicker by a pretty huge margin. In short, I wouldn't discout a 500 hp Cobra. At the moment I don't believe it, but Ford (especially the SVT folks) intend the next Cobra to be dramatically quicker than it is now.

Read that however you want.

BTW: I either e-mailed Mr Colleti's answers to those who asked, or posted them in the same thread.

 

A couple of things that may or may not be relevent. The current 5.4L 'BOSS 220' 3v is considered to be "lazy", as it has plently of torque but seems to fall away in top end power. The 4v 'BOSS 260' is suppost to be better but the iron block is suppost to be really badly affecting the Falcon's handling with so much weight over the front of the car. The 'BOSS 260' is also a big ****, that new stang better have a big *** engine bay as it only just fits the Falcon.

Some other things on power. The first supercharger kits for the 'BOSS 260' are just starting to come out and an 8psi non-intercooled with cat-back exhaust is suppost to be putting out 516hp. 11psi is estimated to do 590hp.

And here is a pic for ya

 

i'm very impressed, if true...i wonder if they're going to join the 21st century by actually using a multi-link/SLA design instead of modified mac struts...

 

That is a big **** engine! Also looks like alot of fun to work on.

Anyone know how much taller the 5.4 is over the 4.6? I imagine the heads, while different, are probally the same size as the quad cam 4.6's.

If the 5.4 block is only marginally taller than the 4.6, then if Ford shoehorned a quad cam 4.6 with a "Roots" supercharger into the skinny Fox chassis engine bay, a blown 5.4 (especially with a Vortec type blower) in the wider DEW engine bay shouldn't be a problem.

 

I think the days of being loyal to a certain car manufacturer when it comes to performance cars are over. If the 06 Mustang GT SC costs 32-35 grand but puts down 400 hp (getting the 03 cobra motor) people will buy it.

If the 06 Cobra is competition speed-wise for the vette, it can be done. If it does put down 500 hp, and if it can cost 45 k(I can't see it being any cheaper for 500 hp) and people would buy it. Ford may have to campaign to get people to think of the Cobra as Vette compeition as it was back in the 60s, but it can be done.

If Gm can make the new Camaro put down 400 for 35 g's. people will buy it. Rumors are the new Skyline Twin Turbois supposed to be 35g's for 400 hp AWD in 06-07. The new Supra Twin Turbo/Single gigantic turbo in 07 is rumored to be 500 hp for just under 55k.

As for myself, I'm moving away from all these new expensive performance cars. With OBD3 comming out in 06/07, it will really make modding hard as it records what happens to your ECU and saves it to a hard disk. I have a feeling that's why car makers are suddenly putting down mad supercharged/turbo'd at the same time OBD3 comes out to meet new emission requirements without having to do a mid-generation emission swap. I have a feeling modding is gonna be taken to another level as OBD3 comes out. Maybe a move toward lighter 4-6 cylinder cars?? Who knows.

Hopefully car modding and high hp cars will be around seriously for the next 20 years, but I have a feeling after 25 years from now, car modding will become a real weekend track hobby as alternative fuels slowly take over. Give it 25-30 years and we'll all be driving alternative fuel vehicles, or someone will come out with the next big alternative fuel.

Alex

 

I dont even like the 05 Mustang and Im excited about that much horsepower.

Meanwhile GM still cant say anything about a new FBody. Man I gotta believe a new one is comming, but even if it comes back - to compete against stuff like this and just to make some noise in the market, its going to have to be a grand slam.

 

I've been thinking the same thing myself. I guess the main thing is it's easy to have such thoughts when the car you preferred is no longer being made. But, the thing that I always hated about Mustangs was that I always thought their were the ugliest cars made, at least during the 80's/early 90's when I came of driving age. I never really thought they performed well either. However, for the past 5 years or so they've been making adjustments to the outter appearance. I think they look great now. Plus, they've been steadily upping the horsepower. If I were in the market for a V8 sports car now, I would probably pickup a Mustang since they are no longer making Camaros.

As far the horsepower numbers and such go, those are impressive. However, my understanding of the Cobra's and such are that they always seem to have some problem with them that requires a lot of work and maintance. There are reasons why they dont' make many of them.

 

Such as? Can you give specifics? Sure, it isn't perfect (which car is), but i see them and Mustangs in general as cars with average reliability. They are no less reliable nor any mor problamatic than a comparable Ls-1 or Lt-1. Infact, i'd wager that they have less problems.

 

I seriously doubt that the twin-turbo Skyline GT-R will come to the U.S. for anything near $35k. Assuming that it will be based on the Infiniti G35 coupe - the Skyline coupe in Japan - you're already talking about a $30-35K car. It's only a matter of time before the GT-R drops in Japan, and it'll probably come here, but they are pricey. The last GT-R was pushing nearly double the $35k figure.

 

All this HP talk is good news for the future F-body. If the Mustang is going to take it to that level, GM will HAVE to take the Corvette to an even higher level. Even if that means upping the price way past what it is now.

GM is going to need a Camaro now even more to come in behind the Corvette.

 

You guys are missing a couple parts of the puzzle.The GT will be in the 300-320hp range when it comes out.The BOSS mustang will be inbetween the GT and Cobra just like the MACH1 is nowAND there will be 2 levels of each SVT vehicle very soon.An NA Cobra and a spankin uranus S/C'd Cobra.Just as the Lightning will get the same treatment.


guionM----"BTW, the Boss Mustang is being developed by Ford Performance Division, NOT SVT,

SVT is as much as FPG as FPG is SVT. They are in the same group.SVT doesnt like to let it be known...




As per the deck height,The 4.6's deck height is 8.937,And the 5.4 is 10.079

 

I wouldnt doubt 500 horse at all. Sh*t look at the Cobra R which costs an arm and a leg then they come out with the stock '03 Cobra which kicks its *** for half the price. The Gt40 will come out and the new cobra will probably perform close to it. for less than half the price. Chevy needs to get off their *** and build some serious horsepower in the C6 vette.