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Old May 25, 2009 | 11:09 AM
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Porche skirted bankruptcy in March

REPORT: Porsche facing dire times, actually skirted bankruptcy in March

These are some confusing times in the automotive world. For the past few years, it seemed as though Porsche was primed to rule the world. It was selling plenty of product, and more importantly, it was quickly gobbling up shares of German juggernaut Volkswagen. Dried-up credit markets and slow sales have conspired to put a big wrench in Porsche's plans, though.

We already knew that the Stuttgart sports car (and SUV) maker has ditched plans to take over VW and instead plans to merge the two companies. German magazine Der Spiegel (via The Local) is reporting that times are so tight at Porsche that it actually skirted bankruptcy for three days in March. The German automaker received a 700 million euro loan ($978 million USD) from VW to stay out of trouble, but needs another 2.5 billion euros (nearly $3.5B USD) to stay in business. Porsche has tried to tap the German government to receive more loans to pare down the enormous debt it had incurred in attempting to buy VW. In fact, Porsche, which sells fewer than 100,000 vehicles per year, has accrued an astonishing 9 billion euros worth of debt (around $12.6B USD). That's 50% more debt than Chrysler.
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/05/25/r...-bankruptcy-i/
Old May 25, 2009 | 12:29 PM
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[Sarcasm]Actually, this is a lie. Only Detroit makes cars that aren't selling and needs bailouts to survive.[/Sarcasm]

It sucks for Porsche, however, I am surprised that more of the "upscale" automakers haven't showed greater signs of pain yet.
Old May 25, 2009 | 02:43 PM
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Isn't porsche the most profitable car maker?
Old May 25, 2009 | 03:02 PM
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Isn't porsche the most profitable car maker?
Only when folks are actually buying...
Old May 25, 2009 | 04:08 PM
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Good riddance
Old May 25, 2009 | 06:00 PM
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I hope we see some foreign automakers declare bankruptcy to take some media attention off GM. That would also be better for Ford so the public doesn't think it is just an American company thing.
Old May 25, 2009 | 06:39 PM
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We're witnessing just how how fickle the entire auto industry can be... especially in these dire economic times.

Porsche were aiming to buy VW... and now allegedly facing BK?

Toyota were making billions in profits and suddenly made an annual loss in 2008 as big as its 2007 profit.

GM is bleeding money like at no other time in its history.

etc...
Old May 26, 2009 | 08:27 AM
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Porsche were aiming to buy VW... and now allegedly facing BK?.
That is actually a big factor as to why they are facing BK. They have overextended themselves considerably over the last two years buying up VW shares and depleted a big part of their cash reserves.
Old May 26, 2009 | 09:34 AM
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More to the story:

There was a point in time when Porsche was the veritable king of carmakers, boasting strong sales, record profits and virtually unmatched customer loyalty numbers even while many of its rivals teetered on the edge of bankruptcy. But like all things that go up, there was bound to be an inevitable slide, and in the latest news surrounding debt-struck Porsche the company has been given a €700 million ($980 million) lifeline from Volkswagen.

The situation is a far cry from where Porsche stood just a few months ago, when it was attempting a takeover of VW. Now, it’s hoping for a merger but despite the change in situation Porsche is adamant that it’s not on the verge of insolvency.

In spite of the fact that Porsche owns 51% of VW, massive debts have forced the company to abandon its attempts to increase its stake in VW. At the start of this year, Porsche was operating under the shadow of a €9 billion debt, and the company was seeking around €10 billion in loans to help it refinance this debt.

Porsche is currently sitting on about €10.75 billion ($15 billion) in loaned funds, including the €700 million ($980 million) from VW, reports Automotive News.

For now, talks between Porsche and VW will continue about a possible merger, and in the meantime Porsche will also be looking for an extra €1.75 billion in loans to help keep the company propped up during the current financial crisis - a request to the German government for financial aid hasn't exactly been met with wide-spread support, and Porsche may have to seek other avenues for financing.
http://www.motorauthority.com/debt-r...olkswagen.html

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Old May 26, 2009 | 02:13 PM
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Interesting this was kept under wraps as long as it was.
Old May 26, 2009 | 06:34 PM
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Interesting that when you Google "Porsche Bankruptcy" almost all the sites that come up are automotive related sites. Where's CNN, Fox and the rest? I guess it doesn't fit the mainstream agenda.
Old May 26, 2009 | 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric77TA
That is actually a big factor as to why they are facing BK. They have overextended themselves considerably over the last two years buying up VW shares and depleted a big part of their cash reserves.
That can't be true. Porsche made their money on buying up VW stock, which made VW the most valuable automaker on the planet at one point, recently.
Old May 26, 2009 | 07:40 PM
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I never understood how and why Porsche was looking to buy VW as it seemed backward to me. Sounds like a lot of people who took out mortgages a little too big for their accounts.
Old May 27, 2009 | 11:45 AM
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I hope we see some foreign automakers declare bankruptcy to take some media attention off GM. That would also be better for Ford so the public doesn't think it is just an American company thing.
While I don't take joy in seeing other carmakers fail, what we need desperately here in Detroit is to take the media spotlight off of the American Automakers. The light that's shining on us right now is "Look at how bad the American car companies are! They are filing bankruptcy left and right! Only foreign car companies are stable now."
Old May 27, 2009 | 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 25thTA
Interesting that when you Google "Porsche Bankruptcy" almost all the sites that come up are automotive related sites. Where's CNN, Fox and the rest? I guess it doesn't fit the mainstream agenda.
Considering that OUR government hasn't given billions upon billions of OUR dollars to Porsche than I really don't care. I don't know why some of you people can't grasp that.

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