Well.....in that case..... I'd think you're right about that 13,001 number.

(FWIW: the pics are now up on Autoblog)

 

Yea they are pretty much everywhere now. Someone pointed out to me that the line is shut down...so it appears whoever shot them did it "afterhours."

 

I don't see how those pics could hurt them in any way. As enthusiasts we know a good amount about what DCX is doing, I'd assume GM and Ford know even more than us and those pics just show a very general shape. No engine/hp numbers/ 1/4 mile times/etc.

I actually think they were leaked on purpose since there hasn't been any Challenger pics lately. DCX is very familiar with the internet, second probably only to subaru or vw.

But if you had to fire someone, It'd be very very very easy to find out who.

How can you justify spending money on two motors and electronics to move a window as big as a paper plate?
You are the reason we won't have a low cost Challenger/Camaro. You specifically.

 

If I'm not mistaken, most automotive plants in North America have a strict no-camera rule. In some plants they ask that no camera phones be brought in either. This guy/gal will most definitely be in a world of trouble, if caught.

On a side note it's nice to see that GM isn't the only ones with these kinds of leaks.

 

It's a matter of security. There is definitely no photography permitted in the area those photos were taken.

Also if GM, Ford, etc. competitive intel. deptartments did't know there would be a B pillar, now they do. That could give them a better idea of where it will be priced.

 

Seconded. Access to that particular room is pretty tightly controlled (and logged), too -- it'll be pretty easy to figure out who the photographer was.

 

That ones easy. The field of view with those windows down is ALOT better and makes it feel more open. Anyone who has owned a 1st gen should be able to tell you that. Not only is it better to roll down. By having that window fixed, the metal behind it takes a small window and makes it smaller when it is up opposed to a windup window that is up. Last but not least its just cool with them down!

 

Back in 71 A/C was an option not many people got. Today it's standard. I don't really see the need for the windows to roll down, although it would be cool, just like when GM FINALLY added roll down windows to the ex. cab truck line!!!

 

To me its a cruising thing to have them down and a way to show off when you park it to get icecream or whatever... Either you enjoy it like I do after having it, or you just dont. It doesnt have to do with AC. I dont really care that the Challengers dont roll down. That is just one more thing that will be much better about Camaro.

Whats the worst thing about them rolling down when it comes back out? People who dont agree with us who love it complain and they change it the next year? Then the 09's become a collectible for one more reason. Similar to the 67 vent glass.

 

I didn't know a B-pillar was important. Interesting.

 

I don't suspect the issue is with domestic competitors, but with foreign.

GM, Ford, and Chrysler for decades had an unwritten agreement in which each would provide cars for each other before introduction. Also, in that unwritten agreement was that none would encourage espionage or spying on other big 3 competitors. Even today, if you go to Ford with info on GM's Impala, they are likely to let GM know about you, while on the flip side, you can be sure GM will have a Dodge Challenger "available" to them before they are introduced to the general public, and probally had a GT500 motor stripped down to bare bolts about the same time car mags got preproduction models with company drivers chauffering them around proving ground tracks.

At this stage of the game, there isn't much that GM or Ford can steal from Chrysler looking at the Challenger structure for their own GTO or Thunderbird, though a really good structural engineer might be able to guestimate the amount of horsepower a chassis might withstand. That would probally be the only revelation any domestic.... or foreign... automaker might get from the pics, since the looks of the car are by no means classified.

The real issue is infact security.

 

...and managing the reveal. To the extent the production model differs in details from the concept, Chrysler would much prefer to present it all at once, as a finished product, on their terms. As it is, there will be months of screaming and whining on the Mopar boards about the B-pillar, for instance, which isn't helpful to the company.

 

Anyone else notice that in this picture there "appears" to be the person's security tag, diet Coke, etc... laying on the table as they took the photos? Plant looked to be after hours, so why is the Coke there?

There's even a sheet with someone's picture on it in the lower right corner..........hhhhhhmmmmmmmm.........

 

Who says that the windows would have to be electric?

 

Doug "Dick Tracy" Harden....