Is "outsourcing" common in Japan?
Re: Is "outsourcing" common in Japan?
Originally Posted by Eric Bryant
Funny, that's about exactly opposite of the current trend. The Big 3 continue to source more parts overseas (oops, excuse me - "low labor cost market"), while the Asian transplants are brings more work into the US (and that work is predominately coming from Japan).
Don't get me wrong, there's interest in Chinese parts by every auto maker on the planet, but remind me again which automaker is selling vehicles in the US with Chinese-built engines?
Don't get me wrong, there's interest in Chinese parts by every auto maker on the planet, but remind me again which automaker is selling vehicles in the US with Chinese-built engines?
Re: Is "outsourcing" common in Japan?
GM has been trying to turn into a GLOBAL company for quite some time, and they believe to build there cars where they are going to be sold... that is why they are interested in starting buisness with china and India, now of course I dont have any reasearch and i realize its considerably cheaper to get work done in china... but thats the way i see it
Re: Is "outsourcing" common in Japan?
Originally Posted by Eric Bryant
Funny, that's about exactly opposite of the current trend. The Big 3 continue to source more parts overseas (oops, excuse me - "low labor cost market"), while the Asian transplants are brings more work into the US (and that work is predominately coming from Japan).
Don't get me wrong, there's interest in Chinese parts by every auto maker on the planet, but remind me again which automaker is selling vehicles in the US with Chinese-built engines?
Don't get me wrong, there's interest in Chinese parts by every auto maker on the planet, but remind me again which automaker is selling vehicles in the US with Chinese-built engines?
Yes, the Equinox has the tranny and motor imported from China. So what? I'm still sure it has a higher north american content than the average Japanese product.
The Equinox was mostly engineered in Canada and is a success. It may very well be my next vehicle.
Let's stop putting Toyota on a pedestal just because they're building more plants in the US and Canada. I know many workers in japanese plants here in Ontario that are trying to get the CAW in there (while unsuccesful) because of poor job standards and insane overtime hours.
The problems GM and Ford face today may very well happen to Toyota 15-20 years from now when they'll have legacy costs and Chinese automakers will be exporting their crappy cars all over the globe.
Re: Is "outsourcing" common in Japan?
Originally Posted by Eric Bryant
Funny, that's about exactly opposite of the current trend. The Big 3 continue to source more parts overseas (oops, excuse me - "low labor cost market"), while the Asian transplants are brings more work into the US (and that work is predominately coming from Japan).
The work is predominately coming from Japan???? Prove to me that they're closing plants in Japan to bring it to NA! You almost make it sound like just because they like us so much, they wanna give us jobs.
They're building plants in NA because their market share has increased rapidly in NA and it's cheaper for them to build them here.....especially with the Government's help.
Re: Is "outsourcing" common in Japan?
Z284ever
Just an aside and an FYI.....
Nobody "shells" with DU (depleted uranium), rounds. DU has extremely high density, so is used in armor piercing munitions. They are in effect, penetrator rounds, so they are fired at specific targets - rather than used to "shell".
At any rate, the DoD is already replacing DU wuth tungsten tipped munitions.
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Just an aside and an FYI.....
Nobody "shells" with DU (depleted uranium), rounds. DU has extremely high density, so is used in armor piercing munitions. They are in effect, penetrator rounds, so they are fired at specific targets - rather than used to "shell".
At any rate, the DoD is already replacing DU wuth tungsten tipped munitions.
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I am also pretty sure Bagdad was shelled with D.U. in bunker Busters or similar.(I'm doing more research)
Birth defects are also at an all time high in Iraq and other area exposed to D.U. in the Gulf wars.
At any rate the half life of D.U. is roughly 4.5 billion years, pretty much permanent, one pound now, half a pound gone in 4.5billion years...
It's wrong to acuse a country of having weapons of mass destruction and then use weapons of mass destruction against them, D.U., over 350 TONS..!
(BTW, DU is not used uranium, but is low yield Uranium 238..)
An indescriminate killer, killing innocents, and that can tag along back home with you and kill your family.
Last edited by 90rocz; Sep 18, 2005 at 10:11 PM.
Re: Is "outsourcing" common in Japan?
Originally Posted by LT1 PWRD
The work is predominately coming from Japan???? Prove to me that they're closing plants in Japan to bring it to NA! You almost make it sound like just because they like us so much, they wanna give us jobs.
They're building plants in NA because their market share has increased rapidly in NA and it's cheaper for them to build them here.....especially with the Government's help.
They're building plants in NA because their market share has increased rapidly in NA and it's cheaper for them to build them here.....especially with the Government's help.

I'm not claiming that anyone likes us well enough to give us jobs. The automakers have to do what's financially responsible, and it's up to us consumers to apply the pressure. I just find it somewhat curious that Honda can source a part at a competitive rate from an American supplier, while other companies feel the need to take their work overseas. Trust me, legacy costs or not, no one is going to pay more for a part than they have to. It's just that some companies that look at more than the short-term price.
I'm not knocking the Equinox, but by the time that the engine, transmission, and a bunch of electronics are coming from somewhere else, explain why it's a domestic vehicle?
Insofar as the claims of "government help" are concerned, just about anyone bringing new business or building a plant this this country can get tax breaks. The key to all of this is actually building new plants. And make no mistake, there's huge tax incentives in place for currently-existing plants. Those just don't make the news, because they've existed for so long. You'll almost never see an automotive company complain about taxes, and there's a very good reason for that. Play the tax game right, and you can actually get a check back from the government (definitely the exception rather than the rule, but still a bit mind-boggling).
BTW - Certain Japanese companies are much more aggressive than others when forcing suppliers towards lower-labor-cost markets. Toyota in particular has made a lot of public noise about such efforts.
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