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Old Mar 24, 2006 | 08:39 AM
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What Zeta-based model other than Camaro are you hoping for?

Here's a news flash: I'm hoping for an El Camino SS.

I asked for this to be tried over at C&G, came out better than I had hoped.

http://www.cheersandgears.com/forums...showtopic=7185
Old Mar 24, 2006 | 09:19 AM
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GTO
Grand Prix
Impala

I'd love to see GM make a BMW 3 series sized RWD car, but that probably won't happen off Zeta. 3-series sized Kappa w/ a LS4 is something I'd be very interested in.
Old Mar 24, 2006 | 09:39 AM
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I really want a new El Camino myself.

As a truck, there's a tax break using it for business, a bed for moving stuff or simply sitting in the back of and chilling by a California beach, and it doesn't handle like a car... it handles cause it is a car.

GM-NA is picking the living daylights out of Holden's proposal for the next gen Ute, attempting to get them to accept a small pickup instead. Hopefully, Dodge's Rampage and enough GM insiders exist so that won't happen.
Old Mar 24, 2006 | 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by guionM
I really want a new El Camino myself.

As a truck, there's a tax break using it for business, a bed for moving stuff or simply sitting in the back of and chilling by a California beach, and it doesn't handle like a car... it handles cause it is a car.

GM-NA is picking the living daylights out of Holden's proposal for the next gen Ute, attempting to get them to accept a small pickup instead. Hopefully, Dodge's Rampage and enough GM insiders exist so that won't happen.
Trying to market a compact pickup to replace a Ute in Australia is pure idiocy!
Utes are as iconic there as Camaros and Mustangs are here. I see GM still has some complete buffoons involved in product planning. Damn, I thought those twits had been weeded out.
Old Mar 24, 2006 | 10:53 AM
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I don't know guys, I just don't see a big market here for the Ute. And regarding the small business tax break...a vehicle needs a 6,000 GVWR to qualify.
Old Mar 24, 2006 | 11:03 AM
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I'll say the same thing I say every time an El Camino discussion comes up:

I feel the El Camino can replace some configurations of the Colorado, particularly, the standard cab 2WD models. GM already made the Colorado less capable than the S10, saying that "people don't use compact trucks for work". Why not continue along this line of thinking, and offer a unibody open-bed El Camino that performs and handles like a car, gets fantastic mileage, and has the capability to haul more than just ***?

I'd also be a proponent of a 4WD crew cab version like the Holden Crewman...something to tear the Ridgeline a new one. But it shouldn't be an El Camino If they really wanted to be risky, they could kill the Colorado altogether, make comparable variants off of Zeta, and force those who want a full BOF pickup to get a Canyon.

To answer the original question of this thread, I'll answer it by saying, "I can't decide. I want them all." GM should do all it can to build as many vehicles as it can off of Zeta. Do what Holden did with the V-car platform, and then some. Fold the Sigma cars into it and make Caddy even more profitable.

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Old Mar 24, 2006 | 11:07 AM
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I'm not even sure if the Ute is a true unibody. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that it is something of a hybrid structure. Unibody in front, with a full frame grafted on behind the cab.
Old Mar 24, 2006 | 11:18 AM
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Re: Other Zetas

Impala
Monte Carlo
El Camino
Grand Prix
GTO
And a Buick sedan to be named later
Old Mar 24, 2006 | 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Z284ever
I'm not even sure if the Ute is a true unibody. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that it is something of a hybrid structure. Unibody in front, with a full frame grafted on behind the cab.
You are wrong and right. The standard Ute is unibody (looks like El Camino) then there is the "one-tonner" that has a bare rear frame and "tray" (what we would call a flatbed).

Oh, and the market need not be big for it to be successful. Zeta is beautiful that way.
Old Mar 24, 2006 | 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Z284ever
I'm not even sure if the Ute is a true unibody. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that it is something of a hybrid structure. Unibody in front, with a full frame grafted on behind the cab.
I think the Utes with the integrated bed are full-length unibody. The Crewman and one-tonner, with the detachable bed, have the hybrid structure.
Old Mar 24, 2006 | 11:33 AM
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I see a new El-Camino selling no more than 30,000 units a year. I assume pricing would be about the same as the Camaro.

I'd rather see the Holdem Crewman 4x4 sold as a GMC and have GMC drop the Canyon





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Old Mar 24, 2006 | 11:40 AM
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That's an interesting idea Z28x. Especially if Canyon sales don't pick up. They're down -46% YTD.
Old Mar 24, 2006 | 11:42 AM
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Prefer 2 doors on my Ute.

The fender heat extractors are good too.... just add GTO's hood and you'd have my dream car.... er truck.






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Old Mar 24, 2006 | 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Donutboy97
Impala
Monte Carlo
El Camino

Grand Prix
GTO
And a Buick sedan to be named later

I'm not so sure about those two

I like the Ute too....I'm just unsure how it would sell....I mean its cool...but would I buy one? Prob not....If I needed a truck I go for a silverado.....I think most red-blooded Americans woudl do the same.....I guess it could work as a niche car though if shared off of Zeta.....

BTW I was under the impression the name Zeta isnt really being used anymore.....

"GM GlobaL rwd" was a term I heard thrown around....

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Old Mar 24, 2006 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Donutboy97
Impala
Monte Carlo
El Camino
Grand Prix
GTO
And a Buick sedan to be named later
That is what I think the ideal list would be right there, although I personally don't have much interest in an El Camino.



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