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Old Feb 27, 2009 | 12:03 PM
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Opel-Vauxhall is arranging a separation from GM.

There are meetings going on now where Opel's board will be essentially pulling out of GM. GM's stake in Opel is currently 80%. Under the new plan, that would shrink to just 25%. However, Opel would be operated as an independent company.

The German government in looking at a loan for of Opel. However, the key condition of that loan is that no money is used for General Motors, Opel's parent company.

Opel will need to retain that 25% in order to have access to GM technology and platforms, but the effort is on to reach "the goal of creating an independent European Opel organization that is open for investment from third parties" and a "walling-off concept."

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...902270426/1148
Old Feb 27, 2009 | 12:06 PM
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I beat you by less than 1min. https://www.camaroz28.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=671225

I'll delete my thread so we can just use this one.

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/02/27/o...-retain-stake/

After a day of worker protests across Europe at various General Motors plants, news comes today from Carl-Peter Foster (above), head of GM Europe, that Opel is planning to reorganize itself as a joint-stock company. GM would basically give up between 25-50 percent of its stake in the spun off company, with the hope that outside investors would make up the rest. The reorg would also likely include concessions by workers for lower pay as well as a restructuring plan to lower operating costs. The main obstacle to separating Opel from GM in the past has been the degree to which the two are intertwined, but a joint-stock company in which GM remains the largest shareholder allows the two to operate as closely as ever while severing some of those ties that bind. It may also set the stage for a detangling of Opel's models from GM's product portfolio over time, which would facilitate the outright separation of the brand from its parent company in the future.

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Old Feb 27, 2009 | 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Z28x
I beat you by less than 1min. https://www.camaroz28.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=671225

I'll delete my thread so we can just use this one.

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/02/27/o...-retain-stake/
Less than a minute??... Man, you're good!
Old Feb 27, 2009 | 12:39 PM
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I wonder if Holden is/will be doing something similar?
Old Feb 27, 2009 | 12:44 PM
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Forster made clear that that it is still important for the unit to remain part of the General Motors network, to retain access to technology, but explained that instead of wholly belonging to GM, the goal would be to have third parties hold a more than 25 percent stake. He said specifics had not been determined.
My question is would the technology sharing swing both ways? It seems to me that Big GM needs Opel more than Opel needs them when it comes to cutting edge technology. But perhaps, I'm wrong.
Old Feb 27, 2009 | 01:01 PM
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Afew things to think about...

-Opel and GM are very intertwined.

-Opel CANNOT survive as a stand alone. It will need a very deep pocketed entity to support it, perhaps even the German government.

-If Opel were to spin-off completely it would need to license technology, architectures and powertrains from GM.

-The European auto industry is poised for a blood-bath in 2009. The projections are that Opel will lose billions. There is talk that several Euro automakers will need to merge in order to survive.

-As Opel sales have decreased in Europe, Chevy sales have....increased.

- To those in the German unions and German government who want a "German" Opel again --- be careful what you wish for, you just may get it.
Old Feb 27, 2009 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Z284ever
Afew things to think about...

-Opel and GM are very intertwined.

-Opel CANNOT survive as a stand alone. It will need a very deep pocketed entity to support it, perhaps even the German government.

-If Opel were to spin-off completely it would need to license technology, architectures and powertrains from GM.

-The European auto industry is poised for a blood-bath in 2009. The projections are that Opel will lose billions. There is talk that several Euro automakers will need to merge in order to survive.

-As Opel sales have decreased in Europe, Chevy sales have....increased.

- To those in the German unions and German government who want a "German" Opel again --- be careful what you wish for, you just may get it.
Till recently, Opel was making money while North America was bleeding.

Opel still has potential in an association with Holden to do well. Especially if they are still getting money from GM for Espilon and Delta, 2 of GM's biggest selling vehicles here.
Old Feb 27, 2009 | 01:21 PM
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Will they declare bankruptcy, too?
Old Feb 27, 2009 | 01:28 PM
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Opel still has potential in an association with Holden to do well. Especially if they are still getting money from GM for Espilon and Delta, 2 of GM's biggest selling vehicles here.
I don't know what the specific arrangements would be, but I think Epsilon and Delta belong to GM and it is Opel who would have to pay to use them.
Old Feb 27, 2009 | 02:23 PM
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So is there any money exchanged during all of this? I would think that GM would get something for reducing their stake in Opel from 80% to just 25%.
Old Feb 27, 2009 | 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Z284ever
I don't know what the specific arrangements would be, but I think Epsilon and Delta belong to GM and it is Opel who would have to pay to use them.
Epsilon came out of the GM/Fiat deal. I think each can continue to develop cars off of the platform after that deal went... bad.

GM, if I recall correctly, placed GM Europe in charge of any further Epslon variants.

I could be wrong on this, so let's leave this as a " seem to recall " answer.
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Originally Posted by Z284ever
Afew things to think about...

-Opel and GM are very intertwined.

-Opel CANNOT survive as a stand alone. It will need a very deep pocketed entity to support it, perhaps even the German government.

-If Opel were to spin-off completely it would need to license technology, architectures and powertrains from GM.

-The European auto industry is poised for a blood-bath in 2009. The projections are that Opel will lose billions. There is talk that several Euro automakers will need to merge in order to survive.

-As Opel sales have decreased in Europe, Chevy sales have....increased.

- To those in the German unions and German government who want a "German" Opel again --- be careful what you wish for, you just may get it.
Not to rain on your parade but it wasn't hard to increase a brand that sold next to nothing. It would be like Caddy increasing sales in Europe.
Old Feb 27, 2009 | 05:13 PM
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So when are Holden and Buick-China gonna split off?
Old Feb 27, 2009 | 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by 91_z28_4me
Not to rain on your parade but it wasn't hard to increase a brand that sold next to nothing. It would be like Caddy increasing sales in Europe.
No arguments there. But Opel is losing market share in a very crowded place. And Chevy at least has a presence there now, (albeit, a mostly low end one).
Old Feb 27, 2009 | 05:38 PM
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Not 100% sure, but I believe Chevrolet's expansion into Europe is spearheaded by GM North America as Cadillac's was.

If so, I'd expect Chevrolet's Europe expansion to be curtailed or dropped altogether.



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