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Opel, Buick merge. Pontiac, Saturn die.

Old Dec 2, 2008 | 01:51 PM
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At first this didn't really make sense, but now it's pretty clear the reasons and its what most of us have been pressing for.

If Pontiac and Saturn are gone, the only volume dealer necessary would be Chevy, so it'd be the only brand with cars less than $25k.

No more Pontiac dealers pressing for product... no more G3 and G5s. That means all the money can go to two small cars (Aveo replacement and Cruze), instead of having two for Chevy, two for Pontiac and two for Saturn.

Buick is the mid end and there would be minimal product overlap with the higher end of Chevy and the lower end of Cadillac.

Cadillac is obviously the high end.

GMC is still the odd man out, but I guess GM doesn't want to rock the boat 180.

Also, per the Fritz Henderson article posted a few days ago, his big thing was Chevy everywhere. Looks like his fingerprints are all over this.
Old Dec 2, 2008 | 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by CaminoLS6
Just edit the title, then I'll agree.


I guess it's tough to just read the article and figure out it's not an official announcement. Why bother discussing the topic when we all can just complain about the title.

That being said...

Originally Posted by Z28x
But sales are going no where. I'd rather see those Opels become Pontiacs. Pontiac/GMC already already has the same line up as Saturn plus trucks and out sells Saturn 4 to 1. There is no way Saturn sales will ever grow 400% to make up for the loss of Pontiac/GMC, but Pontiac/GMC could grow 20% and make up for Saturn if they had the lower end Opels.

Aura = G6
Outlook = Acadia
Sky = Solstice
Vue = GMC Terrain
Astra = G5/Vibe


One thing that I think is important no matter which brand stays is that they have premium small cars.
I agree 100% with this. That keeps GM with the two brand format (Chevy/Caddy and Buick/Pontiac/GMC), keeps some great cars, and adds more "excitement" to Pontiac.
Old Dec 2, 2008 | 02:04 PM
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LOL, Toyota will buy Pontiac, dress it with cladding and it will sale and be harolded.
Old Dec 2, 2008 | 02:24 PM
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with opel cars being designed as buicks in america, i'd still see a role for Pontiac in the BPG dealers. if small premium cars and medium-to-large premium cars were being sold as Buicks, Pontiac could refocus on performance cars, more specifically RWD sedans and coupes. you don't need to have a full lineup to cover this, but if Chevrolet were mass market cars, Buick were upscale and premium, Cadillac were full luxury, why there'd still be room for a small more focused attitude and sporty performance division. a torana for around $22k with more aggressive lines would be a perfect successor to the old grand am. g8 could continue and evolve down the line if they chose to invest in it. all pontiac really needs is derivations of the alpha platform, and maybe a small performance FWD coupe, like the mini.

i've always known there wasn't breathing room for Saturn though. even with its untraditional GM appeal, it was selling mass market cars when all the other brands are doing practically the exact same thing. saturn with its low volume, overlapping product, and relatively untested potential in higher priced markets doesn't make any sense to keep. opel should have a funnel for its product to be sold here, it shouldn't be saturn

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Old Dec 2, 2008 | 03:34 PM
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niche brand


consider Hummer sale


consider Saabs global presence



thats too slow a start for the position they are in. Not sure congress will buy it.

Less brands, less dealers. Pontiac a niche brand ? WTF. What niche other than underperforming brand can they fill
Old Dec 2, 2008 | 03:56 PM
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Why is GMC sticking around again?
Old Dec 2, 2008 | 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by CLEAN
Why is GMC sticking around again?
Probably to give Buick-Pontiac-GMC a truck/suv product line.
Old Dec 2, 2008 | 04:16 PM
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Why is GMC sticking around again?

Because the Sierra is a better looking truck than the Silverado!
Old Dec 2, 2008 | 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Adam4356
niche brand


consider Hummer sale


consider Saabs global presence



thats too slow a start for the position they are in. Not sure congress will buy it.

Less brands, less dealers. Pontiac a niche brand ? WTF. What niche other than underperforming brand can they fill
Agreed. It seems like they are saying 'just give us the money, and we'll think about maybe making some changes'.
Old Dec 2, 2008 | 05:10 PM
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Read it all.

It's a good plan.

Read Chrysler's for one that Congress is likely to pounce on.
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