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Your excellent global product knowledge never ceases to amaze me.
This engine in the Falcon absolutely blows the Commodore into the weeds (HSVs too). The higher performance FPV versions are yet to hit the roads but pundits are predicting 12s stock times! The F6 will give HSV nightmares if the base XR6T is any guide!!!
Your excellent global product knowledge never ceases to amaze me.
This engine in the Falcon absolutely blows the Commodore into the weeds (HSVs too). The higher performance FPV versions are yet to hit the roads but pundits are predicting 12s stock times! The F6 will give HSV nightmares if the base XR6T is any guide!!!
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Thanks.
For those who don't have a clue about what we're talking about, here's the upcoming FPV GT:
Here's the FPV F6:
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Queensland's F6 (last edition) Police cars:
Cool FPV commercial (last gen)
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/A...rbo_139894.htm
If anyone wants to see what a last gen F6 does to a last gen HSV-R8:
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/F...-R8_144019.htm
For those who don't have a clue about what we're talking about, here's the upcoming FPV GT:
Here's the FPV F6:
Queensland's F6 (last edition) Police cars:
Cool FPV commercial (last gen)
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/A...rbo_139894.htm
If anyone wants to see what a last gen F6 does to a last gen HSV-R8:
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/F...-R8_144019.htm
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Hmm... Charger sales were down 27% in March, 16% for the year. 300 sales are down 30% and 18% for the year. Thats even with making the 3.5L the new base engine basically for free. In my last post I mentioned the low and moderate priced performance vehicles will take a hit in a recession, Not M or AMG types, the rich can still afford it, everyone else is going to be more careful with their money. The Mustang is still the Mustang, its recession proof. Halo vehicles are nice but toyota and honda have become very strong without such vehicles. Product improvement and competiveness are more important than a halo line.
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I have EXTREMELY HIGH REGARD for Ford of Australia's in-line 6! IMHO, the engine is every bit as good as BMW's (without the uber-high priced metals, but just as sophisticated), puts out extremely impressive power output, extremely impressive smoothness, very good mileage for a nearly 2 ton car, and (again) in my opinion, is perhaps the best overall engine Ford is currently making on the planet with the possible exception of the GT500's 5.4 and arguably Mustangs 3 valve 4.6.
I understand Ford's logic in killing the engine. It's easier to certify a single V6 engine for the new EU emission standards and the Aussie in line 6 falls victim to Ford North America's restriction of the Falcon sales to just Australia & New Zealand unlike the VE and WM Holdens that are sold on pretty much every continent, rendering any additional investment in the engine all but Dead-On-Arrival.
But I feel that engine would have a good and long life if it were put on the American market. In the next edition RWD Lincoln sedan and perhaps a luxury version of a Lincoln coupe (perhaps Mustang based) would not only bring natural comparisons with BMWs 6 cyliner vehicles, but would give Lincoln a unique idenity from Ford. With the power output of those turbo DOHC InLine 6, Ford could even pass up the V8 in pretty much the entire lineup save limos.
As you can tell, I'm a huge fan of that engine. I hate the fact Ford's killing it.
I understand Ford's logic in killing the engine. It's easier to certify a single V6 engine for the new EU emission standards and the Aussie in line 6 falls victim to Ford North America's restriction of the Falcon sales to just Australia & New Zealand unlike the VE and WM Holdens that are sold on pretty much every continent, rendering any additional investment in the engine all but Dead-On-Arrival.
But I feel that engine would have a good and long life if it were put on the American market. In the next edition RWD Lincoln sedan and perhaps a luxury version of a Lincoln coupe (perhaps Mustang based) would not only bring natural comparisons with BMWs 6 cyliner vehicles, but would give Lincoln a unique idenity from Ford. With the power output of those turbo DOHC InLine 6, Ford could even pass up the V8 in pretty much the entire lineup save limos.
As you can tell, I'm a huge fan of that engine. I hate the fact Ford's killing it.
Nissan went from an inline to a V in the new GTR, but no one seems to be complaining.
But Ford would arguably have been better off sticking with the old 302/351 and updating it like GM and Chrysler did, rather than going to the mod.
Of course, GM has made this type of mistake before, killing off the turbo 3.8 in favor of a supercharged model.
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History of Aussie's Ford IL-6:
http://www.fordsix.com/tech/misc/aussie_sixes.php
http://www.fordsix.com/tech/misc/aussie_sixes.php
Those were used in Falcons and Mavericks and Mustangs.
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"Your grandfather's axe that had it's handle replaced 3 times and the blade twice".
The Aussie six and the US straight six in the typical Maverick, Granada, or older Mustang was at one time, one and the same. But the evolution of Aussie's IL-6 represents Ford of Australia's investment in that engine while Ford of north America (as with all other US manufacturers) looked at the in-line 6 as nothing more as a throwaway engine that people would toss in order to upgrade to V8s.
For a time, Aussie Ford's sixes had valved and combustion chambers based on Ford's 351 Cleveland engines!
But they weren't the only ones making well developed, high performance straight sixes.
Before they sold out to Mitsubishi, Chrysler of Australia created what at the time was perhaps the most powerful straight six on the planet..... the HEMI.
Chryslers Hemi-6 went up to a large 4.3 liters, had up to 3-2 barrel carbs, and had the durability and the potential of US V8 hemis.
http://www.moparmusclemagazine.com/f..._rt/index.html
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