A New Pontiac?
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There's nothing preventing the new company that would control Pontiac put consultants on the ground, work with GM to perform "new" Pontiac changes to the current vehicle line. Essentially hiring outsourcing GM to perform this work, if GM would relinquish necessary rights.
In theory it sounds plausible if the "new" Pontiac is void of all of GM's overhead, no reason it can't work. Having zero retirees and legacy costs is how the imports put it to the domestics over the last 30 years, no reason why it couldn't work again.
In theory it sounds plausible if the "new" Pontiac is void of all of GM's overhead, no reason it can't work. Having zero retirees and legacy costs is how the imports put it to the domestics over the last 30 years, no reason why it couldn't work again.
Someone who honestly believes that the product isn't important, that the sales and marketing is the key thing.
His views on manufacturing are just as clueless as Buickmans. His plan which he submitted to GM has shades of early Buickman efforts.
The issue is that General Motors is contributing too many cars to a crowded car market, and that GM has massive liabilities and is totrally unable to keep so many divisions competitive in a fast moving automobile market.
This dealer's offer doesn't address a single thread of an issue.
This dealer completely skips the fact that all Pontiac vehicles are made in GM plants. He also skips that GM has control of the plants.
He also seems oblivious to the fact that G6 is even 2 years older than the current Impala and will need a major overhaul.. um..now! The The Chevy Cobalt on which the G5 is created from will be deal within 24 months. The plant making the Solstice (and Sky) will be shut down in a year.
And out of what's left, he'd have to open talks with Toyota over the Vibe, Holden over the G8, and Daewoo over the G3 (godforbid).
I really have a problem when dealers seem to be so ignorant of the products they sell, and what goes into creating them. With Buickman as the example (who once on another website severely slamed the new Buick Enclave and indicating that GM wasted money creating it when they could continue selling far better Rendezvous (yes, he did actually say that) by implementing his "Plan", which really was barely more than a gold plated dealer incentive and marketing package.
This guy seems to be on the same level.... but hasn't gotten to the Don Quixote stage yet.
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I really have a problem when dealers seem to be so ignorant of the products they sell, and what goes into creating them. With Buickman as the example (who once on another website severely slamed the new Buick Enclave and indicating that GM wasted money creating it when they could continue selling far better Rendezvous (yes, he did actually say that) by implementing his "Plan", which really was barely more than a gold plated dealer incentive and marketing package.
This guy seems to be on the same level.... but hasn't gotten to the Don Quixote stage yet.
This guy seems to be on the same level.... but hasn't gotten to the Don Quixote stage yet.
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The whole story seems to be centered around a guy who is the Pontiac version of Buickman.
Someone who honestly believes that the product isn't important, that the sales and marketing is the key thing.
His views on manufacturing are just as clueless as Buickmans. His plan which he submitted to GM has shades of early Buickman efforts.
The issue is that General Motors is contributing too many cars to a crowded car market, and that GM has massive liabilities and is totrally unable to keep so many divisions competitive in a fast moving automobile market.
This dealer's offer doesn't address a single thread of an issue.
This dealer completely skips the fact that all Pontiac vehicles are made in GM plants. He also skips that GM has control of the plants.
He also seems oblivious to the fact that G6 is even 2 years older than the current Impala and will need a major overhaul.. um..now! The The Chevy Cobalt on which the G5 is created from will be deal within 24 months. The plant making the Solstice (and Sky) will be shut down in a year.
And out of what's left, he'd have to open talks with Toyota over the Vibe, Holden over the G8, and Daewoo over the G3 (godforbid).
I really have a problem when dealers seem to be so ignorant of the products they sell, and what goes into creating them. With Buickman as the example (who once on another website severely slamed the new Buick Enclave and indicating that GM wasted money creating it when they could continue selling far better Rendezvous (yes, he did actually say that) by implementing his "Plan", which really was barely more than a gold plated dealer incentive and marketing package.
This guy seems to be on the same level.... but hasn't gotten to the Don Quixote stage yet.
Someone who honestly believes that the product isn't important, that the sales and marketing is the key thing.
His views on manufacturing are just as clueless as Buickmans. His plan which he submitted to GM has shades of early Buickman efforts.
The issue is that General Motors is contributing too many cars to a crowded car market, and that GM has massive liabilities and is totrally unable to keep so many divisions competitive in a fast moving automobile market.
This dealer's offer doesn't address a single thread of an issue.
This dealer completely skips the fact that all Pontiac vehicles are made in GM plants. He also skips that GM has control of the plants.
He also seems oblivious to the fact that G6 is even 2 years older than the current Impala and will need a major overhaul.. um..now! The The Chevy Cobalt on which the G5 is created from will be deal within 24 months. The plant making the Solstice (and Sky) will be shut down in a year.
And out of what's left, he'd have to open talks with Toyota over the Vibe, Holden over the G8, and Daewoo over the G3 (godforbid).
I really have a problem when dealers seem to be so ignorant of the products they sell, and what goes into creating them. With Buickman as the example (who once on another website severely slamed the new Buick Enclave and indicating that GM wasted money creating it when they could continue selling far better Rendezvous (yes, he did actually say that) by implementing his "Plan", which really was barely more than a gold plated dealer incentive and marketing package.
This guy seems to be on the same level.... but hasn't gotten to the Don Quixote stage yet.
When I read the original article, my first thought was "is this Buickman?"
It sounds just like him.
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This might be an opportune time to prep the kids for $8 an hour, no benefits or health care and no chance in hell at retirement. America doesn't need automobile manufacturing, I mean we're only the country that invented mass vehicle production and employed multiple millions of Americans over the last century, Instead we really need to concentrate on services industry, like mortgage backed securities, that's the real future of America!
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The Saturn that is being sold is really just the dealer network with or without a few years of GM cars. This guy is thinking of doing the same with Pontiac BUT it seems like this guy just wants the licensing rights to the Pontiac name and all of its models, something which does have substantial value but without a clue as to how to get other models. The Saturn dealers are preparing to contract specific models for their brand.
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Another great American triumph we should all be so proud!!! Let's be sure to tell this to our kids and grand kids as well, we don't want to lose that great American spirit of excellence!!!!
This might be an opportune time to prep the kids for $8 an hour, no benefits or health care and no chance in hell at retirement. America doesn't need automobile manufacturing, I mean we're only the country that invented mass vehicle production and employed multiple millions of Americans over the last century, Instead we really need to concentrate on services industry, like mortgage backed securities, that's the real future of America!
This might be an opportune time to prep the kids for $8 an hour, no benefits or health care and no chance in hell at retirement. America doesn't need automobile manufacturing, I mean we're only the country that invented mass vehicle production and employed multiple millions of Americans over the last century, Instead we really need to concentrate on services industry, like mortgage backed securities, that's the real future of America!
I don't work in manufacturing, I work in IT. But if we don't have the manufacturing jobs for people to work, where are people like me going to get jobs? Not much use for IT people if you don't have the equipment around that needs to be maintained. Not everyone is cut out to go to college and get a degree. Not to mention how many IT jobs are now being outsourced to places like India and Brazil. A farmer from a field with a crash course in English and a flow chart is NOT a replacement for well-trained and experienced IT professional. I don't care how much money you save by paying him $1 a day. You'll lose hundreds a day just in lost productivity.
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Pontiac trademarks will probably be bundled up in "Bad GM" and sold off at bankruptcy auction. I figure they might get a few million bucks for them.
If someone wants to make Pontiac appearance kits, GM will happily sell them Chevrolets at the usual wholesale list price. If there's a market for all sorts of 1990s Honda wings and airdams, I'm sure there's also small market for people who want Pontiac-badged Chevys.
If someone wants to make Pontiac appearance kits, GM will happily sell them Chevrolets at the usual wholesale list price. If there's a market for all sorts of 1990s Honda wings and airdams, I'm sure there's also small market for people who want Pontiac-badged Chevys.
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Probably a good idea. Unforunately there isn't going to be much in the way of well paying jobs like this in America anymore. Caterpillar is moving all the manufacturing jobs away from Central IL to places like China and southern states like Texas and Arkansas (where they will hire cheap Mexican labor to work for pennies an hour). I have numerous friends that work at Cat and are currently being laid off so Caterpillar execs can get more money in their pockets. I doubt there will even be any Cat manufacturing in this area within 5 years. All we'll have is a few offices to house the upper executives.
I don't work in manufacturing, I work in IT. But if we don't have the manufacturing jobs for people to work, where are people like me going to get jobs? Not much use for IT people if you don't have the equipment around that needs to be maintained. Not everyone is cut out to go to college and get a degree. Not to mention how many IT jobs are now being outsourced to places like India and Brazil. A farmer from a field with a crash course in English and a flow chart is NOT a replacement for well-trained and experienced IT professional. I don't care how much money you save by paying him $1 a day. You'll lose hundreds a day just in lost productivity.
I don't work in manufacturing, I work in IT. But if we don't have the manufacturing jobs for people to work, where are people like me going to get jobs? Not much use for IT people if you don't have the equipment around that needs to be maintained. Not everyone is cut out to go to college and get a degree. Not to mention how many IT jobs are now being outsourced to places like India and Brazil. A farmer from a field with a crash course in English and a flow chart is NOT a replacement for well-trained and experienced IT professional. I don't care how much money you save by paying him $1 a day. You'll lose hundreds a day just in lost productivity.
Companies move manufacturing to the south because, generally the cost of living is lower, and more than likely the plant will be non-union. Even if they hired all mexicans, they still have to pay them at least minimum wage. CAT is hurting right now, as well as most other manufacturing industries, especially those that work in heavy equipment/diesel engines. They can't meet the new 2010 emissions for their on-road diesel engines, so that will hurt. I believe they have an agreement with NAVISTAR to help with that though.
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Pontiac is a different story altogether and cannot be packaged the same way.
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MID-MICHIGAN (WJRT) -- (05/01/09) -- ...This week, less than 24 hours after GM make the end of Pontiac official, the investors submitted their purchase offer to buy the brand, a brand that Waldron is convinced is a moneymaker.... Waldron says he hopes to hear from GM by next week
Good for them. Wait til the right time to bring Pontiac back... then keep it where it belongs.
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Wow...pennies an hour? Companies move manufacturing to the south because, generally the cost of living is lower, and more than likely the plant will be non-union. Even if they hired all mexicans, they still have to pay them at least minimum wage. CAT is hurting right now, as well as most other manufacturing industries, especially those that work in heavy equipment/diesel engines. They can't meet the new 2010 emissions for their on-road diesel engines, so that will hurt. I believe they have an agreement with NAVISTAR to help with that though.
Companies move manufacturing to the south because, generally the cost of living is lower, and more than likely the plant will be non-union. Even if they hired all mexicans, they still have to pay them at least minimum wage. CAT is hurting right now, as well as most other manufacturing industries, especially those that work in heavy equipment/diesel engines. They can't meet the new 2010 emissions for their on-road diesel engines, so that will hurt. I believe they have an agreement with NAVISTAR to help with that though.
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Pontiac trademarks will probably be bundled up in "Bad GM" and sold off at bankruptcy auction. I figure they might get a few million bucks for them.
If someone wants to make Pontiac appearance kits, GM will happily sell them Chevrolets at the usual wholesale list price. If there's a market for all sorts of 1990s Honda wings and airdams, I'm sure there's also small market for people who want Pontiac-badged Chevys.
If someone wants to make Pontiac appearance kits, GM will happily sell them Chevrolets at the usual wholesale list price. If there's a market for all sorts of 1990s Honda wings and airdams, I'm sure there's also small market for people who want Pontiac-badged Chevys.
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