'bout time...the LS1 has been out for what, 8 years?

I'll be interested to see what kind of trap speeds they post (the true indicator of power). I know that the Mach's are ET'ing well, but their mph is about 2-3mph slower than an LS1 from what I've seen.

 

I kind of agree, although it doesn't look hidious to me. Under certain angles, it looks gorgous. Under others, it looks somewhere in the middle. Overall, i very much dig the looks inside and out. The more i look at it, the more it grows on me, and the more i love.

Wrong direction? Guess that's a matter of opinion. I would have loved an all-new design, modernistic design, but i have no major complaints about the retro route they decided to take since i think the finished product looks great regardless of the type of excution.

I'm with you on the no huge fogs in the grille or spoiler, and liked the concepts tailights. I don't think the concept had either fog or spoiler. I wish some form of chin spoiler would be integrated into the front, or at the least have the front bumper extend a little lower, so it looks lower and sleeker like the Concept. The concept was absolutely gorgous btw.

As for drag, don't base it on purely looks alone. Some of the new volvo's and one of the flagship lexus sedans look quite boxy, yet have CD's better than that of a the new c6. If Ford did their homework, it shouldn't be any worse than the current car which wasn't all that great.

Same here. Skipping on GT. Not because i don't like it, but because the overall package of the SVT would most likely sound more appealing, and assuming i finish school and land a job, the funds should be there.

 

the power figures at face value aren't surprising for the engine's displacement. very respectable, but not surprising. what is surprising, is that for all this power, the engine has a super low compression ratio and was designed to run on ragular gas. now THAT is something. you all know what this means right?? Ford is practiacally begging you to add 10lbs of boost and bump your octain number to 92. ALL DAY LONG. 400+ hp you think?

in the words of Samir Nainanajan yes, we're in deep ****.

 

I'm getting tempted as well. If the SSR were a bit cheaper I might be more likely to stay loyal.

 

how quick...
quick enough that GM better get something "SAID" to stop the stang momentum soon!

cus in 2009 a Cam..cough..I mean chevy coupe will not be in many of our garages..

GuionM this thread you started kinda has the same feel as mine as what I started in the 5th gen board..

GM needs some press soon or any car they make will not take this stang down to where it was when the Camaro and Firebird were around..in the fall IM goingto go look at a GT with my fiance..if its something we like were are almost going to buy!

enough car co. are turning GM loyalsits heards...sorry GM..its happening..

and as far a quick..Im saying LS1 quick or GTO quick ???

 

Not thread hijacking here so please everyone dont turn this into a LS1 vs. 3v4.6 thread , but I gotta comment to that

The LSx aftermarket is HUGE and is growing by the day . It takes virtually less than a $1000 worth of "carefully" selected mods to go LOW 12's in a F-body ....and that is fact because I've done it

 

So, In summary:

• 325 HP actual 2005 Mustang GT
• Low Compression 87 octane and potentially highly boostable engine
• Huge aftermarket already gearing up
• Styling that most people like, and that also stands out
• Several thousand dollars less than GTO
• Still no news beyond rumors from GM regarding competitive offerings

 

The new Mustang is gonna be a hit, plain and simple. It strikes a deep chord in all Mustang fans. All we can do is sit back and watch it shine and hope that when/if our favorite pony car comes out, its gonna have the looks and guns to take it.

Also about the engine choices. So Ford finally has caught the LS1 in performance. Its about time, I was wondering when they were gonna catch up (no flame Ford guys, I like to see Ford do well just as much as GM, we're all fighting Toyota here ). However, I'm interested to see where GM's engine program is going. Hell in just the first year of the Gen4 (or really 3.5) LS2 they're getting 400hp and some are saying thats underrated just to keep the 04 Z06 guys from crying.

 

Hey guys. I'm a long time poster on BON. The info on the actual hp output was from a reliable source on the board.

The actual information is 280rwhp, originally from a guy working with one on a dyno.

Now, assuming 15% drivetrain loss that translates to: 280/0.85 = 329.4hp (330hp)

Now, torque was rated at 315lb-ft by Ford. We can definately assume this figure is also under-rated by a fair amount. So actual may be 325-335lb-ft?

Now, factor in that the car weighs the same as the Mach 1 and has the same 3.55 axle ratio as the Mach with more low end torque (due to VCT) and you can only get excited about what this thing will run. Machs run 13.1-13.5sec in the quarter.

 

Plus I recently found a local performance shop that specializes in hopping up Ford products.

 

I'm going to stick with my prediction of high 13's at about 102-103

 

Remember Ford said at least F-body fast. I would put my money on 13.4-13.6sec, maybe even a bit better?

I guess we'll see.

 

Maybe an auto drop top version, but i don't see why the 5spd coupes would run those numbers. Why do you think it'll be so much slower than the 5spd Machs?
*Better rear suspension
*same hp and tq but with more under the curve and not as peaky
*exact gearing
*should be about the same or slightly lighter as far as weight

And the Mach's have run low 13's at 106mph.

I don't know. On paper, there's no real reason why it shouldn't be just as fast. But i guess time will tell.

 

OK, here is my rational. I am thinking these times as more of a general base. For example, I would say that LT1's run low low 14's stock and I would say that LS1's run mid 13's stock with the newer ones running low 13's stock(01'-02') and based on those parameters, I would say that the new GT would fall in at around high 13's. Yes, I know some people can drive thier LT1 or LS1 car faster but I am just taking an average here. I could be wrong but as of right now, I am staying with this prediction. This does not include the one guy that is like the best driver in the world and goes to the best track and pulls off a time that is separate from the group. If this was the case, then i would say that all LS1's run 12's and LT1's mid 13's.

 

Yep! That engine is supercharger capable off the showroom floor just like the old 5.0 with it's forged internals were.

This is EXACTLY what I've been saying about how Ford encourages you to hop up your Mustang, where as Chevrolet sends Camaro out as a quick car, but it's far more difficult (if not impossible) to hop it up without some major effort & cash.

I'll let you in on another secret. The placement of the throttle body has been moved to the front of the engine because of enthusiast & aftermarket input. And it doesn't stop there... not by a long shot!!

That's what made owning a Mustang fun. NOT that it was the fastest thing on the streets, but because it was so much you could do to them cheaply (especially compared to Camaros) it wasn't funny.

IMHO, THIS is where the 5th gen Camaro needs to go if it hopes to compete with Mustangs.