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Old Apr 10, 2005 | 07:02 PM
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G6 is fine, but they deffinatly should have had the 2.4. 2.8 and 3.6 in there to seperate it from the Malibu. This would cut down on the cost of making teh Aura.
I do not agree on keeping the Grand Am name. That name has put a bad taste into many peoples mouths. I like the clean slate approach of G6.
Its design is great. I dont know what more could you want? It looks better then any other 4dr sedan in its class IMO. Better then the Accord, Altima and 6.


They could have done better ont he Malibu, what after being in and around the Malibu SS, I think they got all the things I dont like about my car right...damn it.

Ford 500 with a weak 10 year old Taurus engine. Its saving grace is the combo of 6spd auto or CVT and AWD. Without them, the 500 is a big Taurus. No style inside or out.

Luceren with 3.8 making less hp then the present LeSaber, the car it replaces!! Why not just spend the extra money and put the 3.6 in. Therefor you actualy get something by spending the extra money. Make it at least look like you are moving up the Buick latter. 35k for a 3.6 CXS LaCrosse, but at 37k, you get a 195hp 3.8 for the Luceren? This car will suffer the fate the 500 didnt. This car NEEDS the 3.6, and it NEEDS the 6spd auto.

04 SSR. Low power + high price = low demand. What needed to be changed was. Lets hope the answer to teh equation changes.

Aura is missing the boat as we speak. GM needs that car now. It needs to be in production, and on dealer lots by yesterday. GM could have spent this money on Pontiac, and given the G6 a true quality set up.

And that GP GXP price in that article was in Can dollars, not American.
Old Apr 10, 2005 | 08:39 PM
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Ok here goes...


G6 - I actually like this cat alot but I preffered the high belt line the concept had. That gave it the more agressive look it needed. I will say this though... the G6 is a much nicer car than the Grand Prix

Ok Grand Prix - Dissapointment at it highest... The last gen of the GP's looked and flowed with great lines but the new one just looks like they didn't have any design talent at all... it really looks hideous...

Malibu - Love the car, Hate the nose, put on a new nose and you've got something. I also love the MAXX, but again that nose.... CHANGE IT! I was almost ready to concede and buy a MAXX but that nose was just to wrong for me to go ahead with the process.

Cobalt - I love it the coupe looks great but the sedan versions rear roof line doesn't quite cut it. I think it needs to flow better to the trunk line.

HHR - I agree with everyone else... WHY??? why do are they even producing that thing. I hope I'm wrong, I hope its hugely successful but I think it'll go the way of the Aztek (aka Dodo Bird).

Corvette - This won't sit well with some but while the new C6 is a nice car the exterior styling leaves me TOTALLY cold. The lines aren't right, the *** looks cut off and those headlights look like Crap. I do however, like the new smaller size and powerplant.

Camaro - Do I even need to go on...

SSR - I to agree that this would be ok but it needs to be cheaper...

GTO - Yes it needed a better face lift before it came over but they did what we ALL wanted them to do and that was to just get us a RWD coupe to drive and they did... as fast as I bellieve they could. I'm not going to give up hop on her until I see the next version.

Caddillac - I love all of the new Caddies but that wagon looking thing looks like crap in the rear with that High roof line.
Old Apr 10, 2005 | 10:04 PM
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Silverado SS. Biggest dissapointment of all time. People wanted a pickup to haul a@@ in, not a dressed up pickup to haul 2x4's in. It irritates the fire out of me because there are 50 million different configurations you can get the Silverado in to go to work. GM owns the truck market in terms of market share and can't even give us a decent sport truck, even with all this great hardware rotting away in the parts bin.
Old Apr 10, 2005 | 10:45 PM
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Blah............
G6 coupe be done better. The last Grand Am sold well with little investment, and an uncompetive interior and powertrain. All GM would have had to do is evolve the styling and upgrade the power and call it a day.

I remember when I saw the G6 Concept, it looked pretty low and aggressive for what it was. The production version however has somehow lost that and it looks kind of like a chickmobile. The coupe looked even more femine. Though I have not been in one, the interior material quality does not look much better than the Grand Am's either.

I would love to see GM offer an agressive body kit through the dealer like the GTO Autocross package. Would be neat to see.
Old Apr 10, 2005 | 11:06 PM
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Blah............
Though I have not been in one, the interior material quality does not look much better than the Grand Am's either.
The interior of the G6 is light years ahead of the Grand Am in both styling and materials quality. This is one area where GM definetly got it right. I've sat in one, and I though even by the pictures it was much nicer.

And yes, the G6 is the ultimate vagina-mobile.
Old Apr 11, 2005 | 12:04 AM
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g6 - a different front-end from the generic Pontiac would be nice.

new monte/impala - thumbs up for the v8 in the SS models, thumbs down for having the same front end. WHY must everything look so similar?

GTO - 2-3k lower price and it is a grand slam the way it sits. The interior is perfect.

c6 - they could scrap it and start producing the c5 again for all I care. The backend looks unfinished with no thought at all, front end is just to boring and the interior in the c5 was better. I like wheels but other than I hate it.

Cobalt - I really like the cobalt and will consider one pending a test drive when my daily driver dies. I sat in several at the auto show, the interior was well thought out and felt very comfortable.

HHR - 5 years late, what else can I say.
SSR - Price it at 35k or less.

I'm not into luxury cars so I won't comment on Cadillac.

Other than GM:
Charger - Great idea but a new front end please. I could live with the 4 doors if the exterior was nicer.

Mustang - Just say no to retro, interior and exterior makes me want to hurl. If the shelby gt 500 svt cobra mustang drivetrain and engine were in the 03/04 cobra package(exterior and interior) I would have a deposit on one.
Old Apr 11, 2005 | 03:02 AM
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Silverado SS. Overpriced for what you get. Nice truck, however. If they were selling it for 33-35K, I think they would have sold out their inventory. Make it RWD, less cost, less weight, and good seller.

GTO. I don't know why this magnificent car isn't selling. I think it is out of the range of the F body owner, but not quite a Corvette replacement. I think it is a bargain for the level of performance and refinement. I guess looks do matter a lot. If it came in a four door, I would be all over it. The LS2 based GTO is a poor man's CTSv. It should be selling like crazy. Go figure.

500. Long delay from concept and poorly executed in my humble opinion.

Saab 9-2x. Rich man's Subaru? How are you going to convince someone to pay more for a rebadge and some luxury amenities.
Old Apr 11, 2005 | 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by HAZ-Matt
You have been rockin' the ganj if you think that any significant number of people who would actually consider a C6 would cross shop a 350Z.

Excellent! I must use that line sometime!

Even the two minature gals who worship Mothra and live in that box would feel emasculated in a 350Z.


SSR and HHR - These two still baffle me. In my view of Chevrolet, it's either a Camaro, a Corvette, or an appliance. Anything else is wasted money. Now, you can doll up appliances (Impala SS, for example...) and make some more $$$, but for the life of me I can't figure out who made the decision that went:

"You know, we really need another two-seater as an image car, but let's make this one a truck!"

Chevrolet has the Corvette. The A#1 American image car. If Corvette can't generate enough showroom traffic, the SSR was never going to.

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Old Apr 11, 2005 | 09:16 AM
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Re: Which new car do you feel missed the boat?

Actually, I think the decision to make the SSR displayed some not very often seen ballz from GM. For that, I give them credit.

Was it it the right product at the right time? I don't know....I probably would have gone with some version of the Nomad (the first one, not the second Kappa one), instead.

Nevertheless, the SSR's I see at dealers are stickering at near 50K. Pretty ridiculous, if you ask me.

I agree with a previous poster about the SSR. Had it had a fixed roof and been priced at around 30K, I believe it would have been more successful.
Old Apr 11, 2005 | 09:35 AM
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G6 - should have launched with full engine line-up and AWD option. S/C 3.5L and AWD would be an awesome combo.

GTO - should have launched with '05 cat-back, more agressive front bumper cover, and optional '05 hood. Awesome car, but probably should have been as a Pontiac Monaro in its current trim.

SSR - Needed the 6.0L from Day #1, Priced a little too high. Fixed roof = $33K, vert = $37K

XLR = should have started at $69,995 instead of $76K. WERM must have been looking at a different car because the quality is top notch on this car.

Lucerne = 3800 is a new 2006 model??? Even the Impala droped that engine for a newer one.

Pontiac Torrent = where are the 18"s? Standard engine should be the VUE/Honda V6 or a 3.6L HV

Equinox = 3.5L should have been in the place of the 3400, other than that

Cobalt =

C6 =

STS =

HHR = good over all, but did Chevy need a PT? Maybe, but I would have built a Kappa Nomad instead.

Colorado = it is now the best selling midsize truck. It was easily #1 in 2004, but for 2005 the competition came on strong. Offer a upgraded interior and a DoD 5.3L V8 at a resonable price and this truck will blow away the competition.

Originally Posted by Z284ever
I agree with a previous poster about the SSR. Had it had a fixed roof and been priced at around 30K, I believe it would have been more successful.
Yup, they could have used some reverse sticker shock, even if most models shipped still cost over $40K

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Old Apr 11, 2005 | 09:36 AM
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Oh man ... Uplander and Montana SV6

These things are ugly ... I have a 2001 Montana and wanted to get something updated (I HAVE 4 KIDS, an aling and nagging mother that lives behind me and miscellanious hanger-on kids who's parents don't drive them anywhere ... so leave it alone!).

I went to the dealer and there was nothing that would make trading in worthwhile. All they had was the same things that I drive now and then these new vans with the Big Nose ....

http://www.gmcanada.com/images/vehic...ain_ext_03.jpg

Boy ... is she ugly or what. Even the soccer moms would be imbarrassed. I extended my warranty instead of trading in .... done deal.

Ted
Old Apr 11, 2005 | 04:04 PM
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Re: Which new car do you feel missed the boat?

Originally Posted by Ted 99 TA WS6 Conv
Oh man ... Uplander and Montana SV6

These things are ugly ... I have a 2001 Montana and wanted to get something updated (I HAVE 4 KIDS, an aling and nagging mother that lives behind me and miscellanious hanger-on kids who's parents don't drive them anywhere ... so leave it alone!).

I went to the dealer and there was nothing that would make trading in worthwhile. All they had was the same things that I drive now and then these new vans with the Big Nose ....

http://www.gmcanada.com/images/vehic...ain_ext_03.jpg

Boy ... is she ugly or what. Even the soccer moms would be imbarrassed. I extended my warranty instead of trading in .... done deal.

Ted
I don't know squat about minivans and I don't care to, so all I can comment on is how they look, and I think the new vans from GM look good.
Old Apr 11, 2005 | 08:32 PM
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Of all the cars not posted so far... I'll add 2 from the Ford camp...

1) the T-bird. Holysheet... where do I start. Could we give the car, noted for creating it's own class of hi-po engines (the 390 Thunderbird Special) a friggin engine that was ANYTHING above the lowest-powered V8? I mean, you were at the 3 yard line and 3 downs to go and blew it there. Had the body, had the lines, had the quality, had the ride, had the RWD and V8 combo, and even had the drop-top down pat. Then charged rediculous prices for the slowest V8 Ford makes in a car with heritage?!?!

2) basically ditto the Marauder. WHAT A SHAME. That car had all the looks, the 3" stainless duals, the wheels, the black tint... sinister. Then put an N/A mod-motor in it that wouldn't let the rag-editors peel a wheel at the dragstrip prior to a run... OMG. WHY didn't that car get a blown Cobra motor? It wouldn't outrun the Cobra at 4000lbs, so why not shoe it in there? AT $32k for a sinister mob car like that, loaded with leather and room for 3 dead bodies in the trunk, it would have sold in spades if it had the power to deliver on it's looks. Shame Ford dropped it in the turn-around program of 2002.
Old Apr 11, 2005 | 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Ted 99 TA WS6 Conv
Oh man ... Uplander and Montana SV6

These things are ugly ... I have a 2001 Montana and wanted to get something updated (I HAVE 4 KIDS, an aling and nagging mother that lives behind me and miscellanious hanger-on kids who's parents don't drive them anywhere ... so leave it alone!).

I went to the dealer and there was nothing that would make trading in worthwhile. All they had was the same things that I drive now and then these new vans with the Big Nose ....

http://www.gmcanada.com/images/vehic...ain_ext_03.jpg

Boy ... is she ugly or what. Even the soccer moms would be imbarrassed. I extended my warranty instead of trading in .... done deal.

Ted

OOOOPS... yup your right on that one! Those vans are HIDEOUS!!!!



My wife too has a 99 Montana which is literally on its last leg (I can't stand it btw...) and I too wanted to trade it in but right now there is no other mini out there that even comes close to appealing to me right now...
Old Apr 12, 2005 | 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by ProudPony
Of all the cars not posted so far... I'll add 2 from the Ford camp...

1) the T-bird. Holysheet... where do I start. Could we give the car, noted for creating it's own class of hi-po engines (the 390 Thunderbird Special) a friggin engine that was ANYTHING above the lowest-powered V8? I mean, you were at the 3 yard line and 3 downs to go and blew it there. Had the body, had the lines, had the quality, had the ride, had the RWD and V8 combo, and even had the drop-top down pat. Then charged rediculous prices for the slowest V8 Ford makes in a car with heritage?!?!

2) basically ditto the Marauder. WHAT A SHAME. That car had all the looks, the 3" stainless duals, the wheels, the black tint... sinister. Then put an N/A mod-motor in it that wouldn't let the rag-editors peel a wheel at the dragstrip prior to a run... OMG. WHY didn't that car get a blown Cobra motor? It wouldn't outrun the Cobra at 4000lbs, so why not shoe it in there? AT $32k for a sinister mob car like that, loaded with leather and room for 3 dead bodies in the trunk, it would have sold in spades if it had the power to deliver on it's looks. Shame Ford dropped it in the turn-around program of 2002.

GM has had some success with their cars and although some of them are falling short, Ford royally boned both of these cars worse than anything I have seen produced in a long time. Have any of you sat in a Tbird? A sales manager at a Ford dealership who is 6'3 could not get into it with the roof on, that is not enough room. Not mention the Tbird is as mentioned, incredibly slow. Those things sit and sit and sit, even for 20 grand off sticker. Then you have the Marauder There was a car that I friggen loved. Looked great, and just like was mentioned it failed because it had no ***** whatsoever.

Anymore, I almost don't want the Camaro to come back and I can't believe I am saying that. The GTO is a great car, it really is. They can't sell them to save their life though and the dealer markup really shouldn't be that big of an issue. I can just see GM reversing fronts, building a sub par car that looks cool but doesn't deliver and then even more people will buy Mustangs. Then we will have the GTO which lacks styling and the Camaro which lacks power, instead of one car that delivers both.



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