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Old Feb 10, 2005 | 02:02 PM
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Re: New Cadillac DTS

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The problem with this 2006 DTS is that it's really no improvement on the 2000 car. Come to think of it, beyond reduced shoulder room (is that a positive?) and offering the (now cancelled!) night vision system, the new-for 2000 DeVille wasn't a heck-of-a-lot better than the Northstar equipped DeVilles from the mid-1990s.

My "dismissal" for the DTS isn't automatic. It comes as a result of GM's underinvestment and neglect of the vehicle line.

What part of "freshening" don't you understand?

It's a styling update.

Not an all-new car.
Old Feb 10, 2005 | 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by redzed
I'd argue that the Chrysler 300C is entirely competitive with the DeVille on every level except for trunk space. The Chrysler is a far more modern car, not to mention far quick and far cheaper.

The Lincoln Town Car has degenerated into a pseudo-taxicab for the streets of New York. The only thing a black Town Car competes with is a yellow Crown Vic.
The 300C is not quite in the same market as the DTS. But some people will probably cross shop them. The 300C might offer rear drive handling "dynamics", but it does not compete on the same level as the DTS in terms of luxury and high tech features offered and interior styling/quality, and probably does not compare for ride or quiet (having not driven them, though, I can't say that for sure).

The DTS is intended to keep the older Caddy buyers buying. Lexus, BMW, Infinity, etc. don't really offer the equivalent of the big luxo-barge (though the DTS is not exactly a land barge in the handling department nowadays). Those wanting the more "European" rear drive set-up can pick between the CTS or STS or SRX, or even the XLR.
Old Feb 10, 2005 | 03:19 PM
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Redzed-

It's 7 years old... what year is the Camaro you supposedly own? Must not forget the 2002 Fbody is based on architecture first done in 1982. Most of the chassis design is over 20 years old.

So IF you actually own an Fbody, it is a royal POS... and must more of a POS then the DTS.

DTS's are quieter and ride better then the 300C and Magnum. I've been in both. The 300C is cross shopped a lot because of it's presence, but mose people that are looking also to the DTS are looking more at BMW's and Mercedes vehicles. That's where the true comparison of market segment takes place. Luxury/Interior is in the eye of the beholder. Personally I havent liked an Import interior since 1999. I find every single one hideous. Feel though the 300C is pretty good. I just didnt like the switches at all. They didnt feel right.
Old Feb 10, 2005 | 04:29 PM
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Redzed, have you ever sat in a 1999 Deville and then a 2000? Or how about jumping from a 1996 model to the 2000? The interior is a major leap forward from both of the previous 1990's Devilles. Its a night and day difference between the layout, look, and feel of quality seprerating the two.

I am wondering why isn't the Northstar offered with 300hp in both of these cars? I believe that a 1993 Allante was availbe with 300hp. And in this day and age, a 4 speed auto is unnacceptable in a car costing this much. I'm not impressed from a mechanical/engineering standpoint, since nothing has changed with the drivetrain since 1994.

I also do not like the styling. It seems to me that they just slapped a "Art&Science" front end without changing the side profile. What does the back look like? I couldn't find a picture of the rear or interior on that website.

I'm sure that the refinement, interior, ride, space, and luxury goodies will be hard to beat for under $50,000 though.
Old Feb 10, 2005 | 05:24 PM
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The DTS Northstar is slightly detuned for use of regular unleaded gasoline. I would have thought the "freshened" DTS would have recieved the newer 320hp version of the Northstar.
Old Feb 10, 2005 | 05:34 PM
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Re: New Cadillac DTS

Originally Posted by redzed
this 2006 DTS is pretty much the same a 1997 DeVille.
Dude.....You need glasses.


The powertrain has been pretty much carry over. Since the Northstar powertrain is so good (good power, good MPG) nothing really needed to be changed until an all new car comes in '08. But many improvements have been made in styling, fit and finish, and over all quality over the past 10 years.

After all these years the Town Car is still about 40hp short of the DeVille.
Old Feb 10, 2005 | 05:50 PM
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Re: New Cadillac DTS

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The DTS Northstar is slightly detuned for use of regular unleaded gasoline. I would have thought the "freshened" DTS would have recieved the newer 320hp version of the Northstar.
320HP Northstar is the RWD version, it is quite a bit different than the 300HP FWD Northstar.

Originally Posted by 30thZ286speed
After all these years the Town Car is still about 40hp short of the DeVille.
Town Car is 239HP v.s the Deville 300hp and STS 320HP Town car has less HP than Caddy V6's
Old Feb 10, 2005 | 06:13 PM
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Re: New Cadillac DTS

Originally Posted by redzed
1. Learn to count...2000...2001....2002......2003......2004... ..2005.....2006. This is going to be the 7th model year of the pretty much carried-over 2000 DeVille.

2. On the powertrain front, this 2006 DTS is pretty much the same a 1997 DeVille. Isn't 10 years an eternity when it comes to luxury cars? Ten years ago we still had the second generation Lexus LS400. By the time this creepy ole' Caddy is replaced, Lexus will be selling the 4th generation LS - the Lexus LS500.

3. There should have been a RWD DeVille replacement here already - not in calender year 2008 as you claim. (Personally, I don't see GM keeping that sort of timescale.)
at least it has more power than one of its competitors the lincoln town car, and it should be able to go through snow better than the town car with its fwd and also it has some more power too

p.s. i think they used the impala back with the deville lights and used cts headlights, i dont think it looks as good as it did in 00'
Old Feb 15, 2005 | 08:57 PM
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Re: New Cadillac DTS

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Town Car is 239HP v.s the Deville 300hp and STS 320HP Town car has less HP than Caddy V6's
Hmm...... I thought Town Car got a upgrade to 260hp last year?
Old Feb 15, 2005 | 09:01 PM
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Hmm...... I thought Town Car got a upgrade to 260hp last year?
http://www.lincoln.com/vehicles/town...lt.asp?flash=1

239hp/287tq town car sould have got a 300HP DOHC 4.6L years ago.
Old Feb 15, 2005 | 11:48 PM
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Limo drivers and "sedan drivers" don't need to go fast. All they care about is gas mileage.
Old Feb 16, 2005 | 01:36 AM
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Ok, its still on the same level as the Crown Vic.............pretty sad.
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