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Old Dec 12, 2004 | 01:49 AM
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New 65:1 A:F ratio DI Honda Engine...

Some pretty neat stuff.

http://world.honda.com/HDTV/news/2003-4031127a/

Also I hear that GM is working on a V8 with this same type deal with DoD. Should be interesting to see this technology saturate the market in the next few years.
Old Dec 12, 2004 | 02:01 AM
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Re: New 65:1 A:F ratio DI Honda Engine...

Huh? Link isnt working for me. Is this the new Honda Accord engine with IMA and DoD? GM has this on there trucks now.
Old Dec 12, 2004 | 02:12 AM
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Re: New 65:1 A:F ratio DI Honda Engine...

Hmmm...it works for me

No its a new 2.0L Vtec engine with an extreme lean-burn. Not the Accord engine...This isn't in any production vehicles yet.

GM doesn't have any Direct Injection engines in production right now do they?
Old Dec 12, 2004 | 02:30 AM
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Re: New 65:1 A:F ratio DI Honda Engine...

I belive that the High Feature V6's, 2.8 and 3.6, have the ability for direct injection, as do ecotecs, but no direct injection cars for GM vehicles outside of some Suzuki's.
Old Dec 12, 2004 | 05:55 AM
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Re: New 65:1 A:F ratio DI Honda Engine...

What does the term 'direct' injection imply? I thought all fuel injection was direct.

Also, did you guys catch that part about injection during the compression stroke?!

It's too bad that data is in metrics though.
Old Dec 12, 2004 | 09:46 AM
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Re: New 65:1 A:F ratio DI Honda Engine...

Direct injection is squrting fuel directly into the cylinder, not into the intake manifold.


As for the conversions, they work out to 36MPG and 155HP. However, that MPG was in the Stream minivan. (http://www.tiscali.co.uk/motoring/ro...streamrear.jpg)
Old Dec 12, 2004 | 10:07 AM
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Re: New 65:1 A:F ratio DI Honda Engine...

I'd like to know what kind of material the pistons are composed of. Wouldn't an AFR of 65:1 make for an extremely hot burn
Old Dec 12, 2004 | 11:21 AM
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Re: New 65:1 A:F ratio DI Honda Engine...

Isuzu had direct injection on their 3.5L V6 in some of their models. Boosted HP by 20 and gained a mile in fuel economy in both city and highway.
Old Dec 13, 2004 | 05:04 AM
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Re: New 65:1 A:F ratio DI Honda Engine...

Originally Posted by uluz28
I'd like to know what kind of material the pistons are composed of. Wouldn't an AFR of 65:1 make for an extremely hot burn
No. The combustion temps peak some where around 15.7:1 and then start to come back down.
Old Dec 13, 2004 | 07:24 AM
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Re: New 65:1 A:F ratio DI Honda Engine...

They run like diesels (except they are still spark ignited). Overall lean burn, because the combustion happens in a "kernel" localized about where the fuel is physically located in the cylinder. So the overall ratio can be very lean (just like a diesel), but where the actual flame front is, the ratio is closer to stoichiometric.

Isuzu has a DI engine out already, and I think Audi/VW is going to have one over here for the '05 MY. Others, of course, are also working on it.
Old Dec 13, 2004 | 08:59 AM
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Re: New 65:1 A:F ratio DI Honda Engine...

Cool...thanks for the info guys.
Old Dec 13, 2004 | 09:22 AM
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Re: New 65:1 A:F ratio DI Honda Engine...

GM has been saying that the Ecotec is DI & VVT compatable for about 4-5 years. So when are they going to build a DI model? we will just finnaly be getting VVT on the 2.4L Ecotec in May '05
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