Modern Syclone vs. Silv. SS
If GM woulda had some ***** and made a Syclone based off the S10 xtreme it would have had sold faster than $5 blow jobs by Miss America. Even my import friends absolutely love that truck (xtreme). I see more modified xtremes around here than I do Civics.
I've been preaching the idea of a Colorado or Trailblazer based Lightining fighter since I saw the TT'd I6 Trailblazer concept over a year ago. If theTT'd I6 can't fit in the Colorado, then put it in the Envoy or TB. Hell, put it in the Ranier!
Originally posted by Sixer-Bird
I've been preaching the idea of a Colorado or Trailblazer based Lightining fighter since I saw the TT'd I6 Trailblazer concept over a year ago. If theTT'd I6 can't fit in the Colorado, then put it in the Envoy or TB. Hell, put it in the Ranier!
I've been preaching the idea of a Colorado or Trailblazer based Lightining fighter since I saw the TT'd I6 Trailblazer concept over a year ago. If theTT'd I6 can't fit in the Colorado, then put it in the Envoy or TB. Hell, put it in the Ranier!
Originally posted by 1990 Turbo Grand Prix
as th Vibe GT can tow 1500lbs with its 180hp 1.8 4cyl. Power to weight allows more towing capacity.
as th Vibe GT can tow 1500lbs with its 180hp 1.8 4cyl. Power to weight allows more towing capacity.
Ha, you put a bunch of stuff in the Vibe (yet alone tow) and you have to use the clutch like your riding a 125cc dirt bike. This engine has the least amount of low end power I have ever experienced. The torque peak is at ~7K RPM. But the ~4.5 diff and ~3-1 first gear make you think there is something there.
But once loaded there is not.
Its peppy up top though
Jason
The ext cab SS is just about the worst truck they could have produced given its past prototypes, in my opinion of course. The regular cab is just about the best truck they could produce. Of course the ext hits the market.
I think I would like a new SYCLONE
I wanted one of the originals when I bought my Ram, but the few that I found were several thousand more, and I can only imagine the insurance. It would be awesome if they brought it back, though!
I wanted one of the originals when I bought my Ram, but the few that I found were several thousand more, and I can only imagine the insurance. It would be awesome if they brought it back, though!
I did a little research and found that the 400hp rating on the Trail Blazer twin turbo concept was a safe figure for reliability with only 8.5lbs of boost and minor motor modifications. Can you imagine what a little extra boost would do to this motor! The 0-60 time on the concept was 5.35sec with a 1/4mi time of 13.91sec @ 97.40mph. Now this is in a heavier, more conservative sport luxury style SUV. Put this setup in a regular cab Canyon and you have a low 13 sec truck, and with minor mods, 12's or better for sure. I feel a truck like this might be an answer to a question nobody asked, but everybody likes, much like when the current generation Lightning came out and restarted the sport truck market. Also to add to previous comments, the towing capacity of the concept TB was 6200lbs. Pretty good for a sport SUV.
Last edited by 1990 Turbo Grand Prix; Mar 7, 2003 at 03:52 PM.
If anybody hasn't notice, "compact" trucks have become profoundly uncool. If anything, a 2WD Colorado/Canyon "Freerunner" with a lift kit and big treads would have more market impact than a dropped and hotted up Syclone. (That exactly where the teeny, tiny truck market is going. Silly, isn't it? So are compact trucks.)
The original Syclone produced stellar numbers, but in the end it was a useless, loosey-goosey S-15 with an ultra-crude turbo V6. It was a peculiar product at the time, and now that its been dead for a decade, it's probably best left that way.
A rebadged version of the Trailblazer SS would be a far better idea. With the high-compression "Cadillac" 6.0 liter V8, you'd actually have the refinement to justify the price. Call it a Typhoon if you want. If you were really serious about moving units, though, you'd give it AWD and some "bling-bling." If they made an Envoy Denali, it would sell bigtime.
In any case, GM flubbed with the Canyon/Colorado. By leaving the design work to Isuzu, it ended up being too small and too dorky. I'm sure it'll do fine again the Ranger, but the upcoming Dakota is the product to watch. (Unlike the dinky Colorado, the Dakota's platform is so big that D-C actually had to shrink the bodywork to distance it from the Ram.) Didn't I hear there was going to be a Dakota R/T Hemi.
The original Syclone produced stellar numbers, but in the end it was a useless, loosey-goosey S-15 with an ultra-crude turbo V6. It was a peculiar product at the time, and now that its been dead for a decade, it's probably best left that way.
A rebadged version of the Trailblazer SS would be a far better idea. With the high-compression "Cadillac" 6.0 liter V8, you'd actually have the refinement to justify the price. Call it a Typhoon if you want. If you were really serious about moving units, though, you'd give it AWD and some "bling-bling." If they made an Envoy Denali, it would sell bigtime.
In any case, GM flubbed with the Canyon/Colorado. By leaving the design work to Isuzu, it ended up being too small and too dorky. I'm sure it'll do fine again the Ranger, but the upcoming Dakota is the product to watch. (Unlike the dinky Colorado, the Dakota's platform is so big that D-C actually had to shrink the bodywork to distance it from the Ram.) Didn't I hear there was going to be a Dakota R/T Hemi.
I totally 100% disagree with your statement about compact trucks. In both Cleveland and Dayton slamed Rangers and Xtremes are all over. The xtreme was the one thing gm did very right with the youth market and now its gone. Typical I guess.
I agree with Chuck!. There is indeed a market for midsize truck. However, I think the reason you feel it's dead is because of a lack of totally new product. The current S-10 has been around since 1994, the Ranger since 1993, and the Dakota since 1997. None have really changed all that much other than little refreshes every 3-4 years. Trust me, this new Colorado and Canyon, despite being styled by Isusu, will be a hit in the showrooms. As it goes for the Xtreme in the new style, the name is gone, but there is still a sport package just like it for the Colorado but without the name Xtreme. Also, I haven't seen a stepside box for the new style yet.
Originally posted by 1990 Turbo Grand Prix
I agree with Chuck!. There is indeed a market for midsize truck.
I agree with Chuck!. There is indeed a market for midsize truck.
It is true that the compact truck market has been stagnant in terms of product for many years, but I think that's largely the concequence of buyers moving upward into full-sized models. Traditional compact truck stalwarts like Nissan and Toyata have been concentrating their efforts on full-sized truck developement -that's where the money is. While the import brands have brought compact crew-cabs to the U.S. market, it was a move that didn't cost very much. (Crew cabs are the norm in overseas markets.)
The current Dodge Dakota is an exception to the trend. This midsized truck has underpinning from 1987, and it still sells. The secret is that it covers every model niche from downspec 4-cylinder value leaders to loaded V8 crew-cabs. If there is any future in smaller-than-fullsized sport trucks, the extended cab Dakota R/T shows the way.
The Syclone and exTreme are dead, which is just as well.



