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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 05:59 PM
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Maybe this is why GM isn't embracing diesels?

U.S. Car Buyers Are Open
To Alternatives, Poll Shows
By BECKEY BRIGHT
April 12, 2006

While gasoline-fueled cars continue to dominate roads and auto dealerships in the U.S., many Americans are seriously considering an alternative-fueled vehicle for their next vehicle purchase, according to a new Wall Street Journal Online/ Harris Interactive personal-finance poll.

Of those planning to buy or lease a new vehicle, one-quarter said they would seriously consider a hybrid vehicle, which has a combination of a gasoline engine and an electric motor, compared with 37% who said they will most likely consider a gasoline-fueled vehicle. Seven percent said they would seriously consider an ethanol-fueled vehicle, and 2% would consider a vehicle with a diesel engine, according to the online survey of 2,516 adults.

The poll shows potential buyers living in the Northeast are the most likely to consider a gasoline-fueled vehicle, while those in the West are more likely to consider a vehicle using alternative fuel.

While few alternative-fuel vehicles populate U.S. highways today, more and more Americans are likely to choose these cars as they continue to feel the pinch of high gasoline prices, says Scott Upham, senior vice president of automotive and transportation research practice at Harris Interactive.

Nearly half of those surveyed who said they would consider an alternative-fuel vehicle cite the environmental benefits as the reason for their choice. But nearly the same percentage say reducing fuel costs would be their top reason for choosing these vehicles.

The poll showed that women are nearly twice as likely as men to say they would choose an alternative or hybrid car because they are better for the environment. And those who reside in the West are also much more likely to consider environmental impact, the poll shows.

The poll also asked car buyers how much more they would be willing to pay for a vehicle that runs on alternative fuel over a traditional gasoline-powered version of the same vehicle. About 8% of those who would consider an alternative-fuel vehicle said they wouldn't pay anything extra, while 16% said they would pay $20,000 or more over the cost of a gasoline-engine vehicle. Just over a quarter of poll respondents said they would pay up to $1,000 extra for an alternative-fuel vehicle.

On the subject of money, one-third of poll respondents said the annual percentage rate of the loan would be the most important financial factor when making their next vehicle purchase or lease, while 25% said the down payment requirements would matter most.
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1144...ml?mod=autos_1
Old Apr 16, 2006 | 06:14 PM
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Re: Maybe this is why GM isn't embracing diesels?

But people aren't informed. Diesels have lots of low end torque and get amazing fuel mileage. Who doesn't want that?
Old Apr 16, 2006 | 06:19 PM
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The issue is that outside of car enthusiasts or those few that have been to Europe in the last few years, people just don't now how good diesels are these days. Probably all they can think of is the horrible diesels of the 80's and heavy trucks, which even to this day still spew black smoke on a frequent basis.

I'd buy a diesel CAR in a heartbeat, if someone other than VW (quality) or MB ($$$) would sell one.
Old Apr 16, 2006 | 07:56 PM
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I know you can get a diesel in the Jeep Liberty. I hope it shows up on the new Liberty and transfers over to the Nitro.
Old Apr 16, 2006 | 08:20 PM
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Yes people think that diesel cars will be loud and crappy like diesel trucks.
Old Apr 16, 2006 | 09:18 PM
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Re: Maybe this is why GM isn't embracing diesels?

Wait until gas hits $4 a gallon and these people realize Diesels can get hybrid milage with 4x the reliability.


I think the first Diesels should be pickups and the Aveo.

Pickup users will see it as a macho thing and the gas savings will be a huge bonus. Aveo just needs an engine that can get into the high 40mpg range.
Old Apr 16, 2006 | 09:59 PM
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yes i remember a friend of mine got a dsl bug when they first came out... 500 miles on 10 gallons... 15$ and i could goto vegas and back now its a bit more expensive... but you get the idea...
Old Apr 16, 2006 | 10:21 PM
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Re: Maybe this is why GM isn't embracing diesels?

If the had a high 40's Aveo with a diesel I would buy it.
Old Apr 16, 2006 | 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by scott9050
If the had a high 40's Aveo with a diesel I would buy it.
with todays technology, a mid 40's malibu is possible... an aveo would be more like 55-60 similar to the VW Golf dsl...
Old Apr 17, 2006 | 01:17 AM
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As good as we all know diesels could be, the point is that the public does NOT want them. There is very little demand for a diesel vehicle and GM's resorces would be better spent developing and ultra efficient world class gasoline 4-cyl to rival Honda's engines. Ecotec still has some way to go. The public needs to be educated on the merits of diesel, but let a competitor spend the cash to raise awareness and then jump in with a deisel offering.
Old Apr 17, 2006 | 03:24 AM
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VW of Canada sells 44% or so of their cars with diesels...
Old Apr 17, 2006 | 07:36 AM
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Re: Maybe this is why GM isn't embracing diesels?

Originally Posted by maksik7
As good as we all know diesels could be, the point is that the public does NOT want them. There is very little demand for a diesel vehicle and GM's resorces would be better spent developing and ultra efficient world class gasoline 4-cyl to rival Honda's engines. Ecotec still has some way to go. The public needs to be educated on the merits of diesel, but let a competitor spend the cash to raise awareness and then jump in with a deisel offering.
GM has smaller, lower displacement, Ecotecs that rival the Honda 4 cyls on mileage but they are not sold in the US because people would complain that the smaller 4 cylinder is not powerful enough, despite it being tuned more fuel efficiency. Those same people expect a 500 hp $20K V8 Camaro. I say bring over the 1.8 and smaller Ecotecs to the states and see how well they sell, it may suprise some people.
Old Apr 17, 2006 | 07:53 AM
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Cobalt should have that 1.8L Direct Injection 4 cyl. use in Europe. That engine is 145HP and should be in the Aveo too (or maybe the 1.4L version). Scions only have 103HP and enough people like them.

GM has the technology, but they don't want a 40mpg+ car in the USA for some reason
Old Apr 17, 2006 | 08:53 AM
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Re: Maybe this is why GM isn't embracing diesels?

Originally Posted by Z28x
Cobalt should have that 1.8L Direct Injection 4 cyl. use in Europe. That engine is 145HP and should be in the Aveo too (or maybe the 1.4L version). Scions only have 103HP and enough people like them.

GM has the technology, but they don't want a 40mpg+ car in the USA for some reason
Yep, agreed. Just drove an Astra with the non-direct injection version of the 1.8 engine, hard, 1600 miles around the UK, and it delivered 36MPG for the entire trip.
Old Apr 17, 2006 | 03:08 PM
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Re: Maybe this is why GM isn't embracing diesels?

Europeans and Americans think about vehicles differently...

in europe people are much more enviornmental concious

here we dont really care because we have so much land to ruin before we have to start to care...

personnally i wont purchase a 40 mpg car unless i really liked the styling and it was adiquetly powered...

if it were dsl on the other hand i would purchase it... even if it was sup par on power...

but the average joe... considers high 20's good fuel ecconomy...
where as to me anything over 40 is good fuel ecconomy...



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