Originally Posted by Threxx

Uh... what numbers would that be? I didn't look anything up. That's just what I've seen in general reading.


Ah, so the Avalon is bloated, but the Lucerne I assume isn't? To me all cars in this class are a bit 'bloated'... it's part of what their market wants in a car.

Should I be surprised that you'd want the Lucerne over the Avalon to such an extreme? I can tell ya why, too. It has a Buick badge on it. That's why.

Come up with something quantitative please.

I'm aware that the Lucerne has a very enviable feature-set including some features that the Avalon does not have... however most of those features don't come around until the Lucerne hits the 40,000 dollar sticker price mark, at which point I can't imagine anyone in their right mind woul consider the Lucerne with so many other incredible cars in the 40k dollar range (including others from GM!)

Give the lucerne a less generic old person looking interior, a 6-speed instead of a 4-speed automatic, and a V6 motor that actually belongs in a car in this price range and then I'll give it more consideration.