That medicine won't work for me. I've got a mint IROC in the garage, and my disgust is only growing.

 

I dont belive I got my point across. Its not that I am not enthusiastic. Its just that there very well could be other things out there from GM that ISNT a Camaro. Be it a GTO, a RWD LS2 powerd Zeta sedan, or whatever else there is. Thats a lot more then what I can say about Ford. Two cars to look foward too, and one of them is beyond most of our pockets. If you dont like the Mustang, what else is there for you at Ford? 500 with its 200hp Duratec engine? Hyrbid Escape? No more L...so what else is there? Maybe the much hyped SVT Fusion in 9 years. Whatever floats your boat...but right now, DCX and GM look to have the rides.

Is GM perfect? No. Can GM walk and chew gum at the same time? Not right now it cant. It has been beat down for almost 20 years now, and it needs to get back up and get into the fight. It needs to refocus its efforts into cars and trucks. Make them better. Then when everyone comes back to GM, spoil them with cars like the Camaro, and other hot rodded cars.

Dont like it? Cant wait? Disguested? Buy a Mustang. What else can I say. Sales of GM's new cars are up, and GM is slowly moving the old stuff out of the back door. Once the tide has turned, I expect to see a different GM.

 

al, why does it seem you always compare GM to the ford brand, and yet take for granted Mercury, Lincoln, Mazda, Volvo, Aston Martin, and Land Rover? I mean if you going to compare, then at least compare Ford to Chevy, lol. Fact is, GM which is the biggest car company, doesnt have anything really exciting for the main stream. Why is it that Nissan can have every car be exciting, and in every flavor, yet GM the biggest corp cant? Lutz is not doing much to change it, hell, even in some interview, he said he would not approve the 300 if he was ceo of chrysler. lol.

On a side note, i forgot that there will be a 5th gen, quite frankly, it doesnt matter anymore anyway, there are better buys out there, and in every flavor. Maybe with some rebates, lol,

 

If GM wants to lose customers, so be it. There's still plenty of Camaros out there I can play with and make better than GM did anyway.

 

There needs to be a complete changeover in advance vehicle platform designers at GM. Where are the Bill Mitchell's and Jerry Palmer's of today? Everyone likes to rave about how good the new C6 looks, but to me it looks like a chopped off C5.

The current Impala is an abomination of that famous nameplate. The "Orca the Whale" version's from the mid '90's left alot to be desired too. However, at least they were RWD and had the Corvette derived LT1 in them. Can you imagine a new Impala SS with RWD, a slightly detuned version of the LS2 and a good looking jaw-dropping design? That car would fly off the Chevy lots.

I'll say it again, GM needs a KNOCK YOUR SOCKS OFF design for the 5th gen. Not futuristic spaceship style. Not old school retro, but a modern classic that'll look good 20-years later. Everything has to be right. The 5th gen needs to be the 3rd gen and/or 2nd gen of the 21st century. A modern contemporary classic.

Unfortunately, I haven't seen a modern contemporary classic design from GM in many years. Whenever they do come up with a new design, they goof it up somewhere along the way. Maybe it's better not having the Camaro return for a 5th time. Let them call the new performance coupe the Chevelle and just leave it at that.

 

Agreed, except don't call it Chevelle. Give it a new name.

 

Are you disgusted waiting for Christmas morning too? Instead of being P.O.'d @ G.M. for all the secrecy, you should be excited as to what all the secrecy is for. I think there has been enough suggested here by people "in the know" to be very optimistic about the Camaro coming back. Obviously GM has something big in the works for the Camaro or there would be more info leaking out. Even if you take the CAW issue out of it there would still be more info coming out in a normal program (I don't recall this level of hush-hush over the Malibu or Colbalt). I think we will all be getting a late Christmas present at the 2007 IAS.

 

Sadly though , the people in the know seem to be as confused now after learning the Zeta coupe is not looking to be a Camaro everyone though it would be . All the Torana info is pure guesses . Christmas reliably comes around once a year , whats there to be distgusted about

 

I'm to the point where I don't care anymore. In 4-5 years hopefully the c7 will be out and look good or I'll buy a used c5 or gto.

 

Maybe more a matter of IF Christmas morning will come EVER. And if it comes, it might just be Halloween, disguised as Christmas.

 

Yep.

 

I love my 4th gens and the community that goes with them.

Other than that, GM is a business and I'm a consumer. If GM as a business offers what I as a consumer want in a vehicle when I'm in the market (and they have the advantage of the earnings on my GM card), great. If not, hopefully another business does. I'm no longer as blindly loyal to GM as I once was, though in all honesty it is not primarily because of the Camaro hiatus.

 

Ah, you grabbed the bait...

Well, I compare GM to Ford because everyone here usualy throwns out "well, I can buy a Mustang, where is my Camaro."
Why cant everyone compare the Mustang to something else? Why cant people say, "I want a Charger coupe NOW!!" or "Where is my 350Z V8(450Z i guess?)" So why do I get picked on when I compare GM to Ford?
Lutz's cars are just coming out, and they are all looking top notch. LaCrosse, Cobalt, and his hands have touched the STS, C6, G6, and probably a few other cars, not to mention Solstice. How come the Razor concept wasnt approved over at DCX? What, they cant make a sporty afforable roadster? GM can.

As for comparing it to other Ford divisions....why?
Merc? Its just a bunch of rebadged Fords. Nothing there
Linc...please.
Volvo? Not much there except for the 300hp turbo cars, which IMO are very cool, but you dont hear a single word about them. I dont see them in comparos, I dont see reviews. I havent seen them on the road, and I havent driven one. So I really dont know what ot say.
Mazda...Ford only owns part. If you want to bring in Mazda, I can bring in Subbie and there long line of turbo awd cars.
Aston Martain....I love thoes cars. But hey, unless you are Ferrari, GM isnt really scared, nor do they care. IMO, I wish that GM would use some of the european GT cars as design basis for the Camaro...but no one likes that idea. God forbid if the car is sexy....
Land Rover...the LR3 is nice looking, but they recently have had a very long streak of building crap. Half of the car still uses BMW parts!!

GM's size isnt its stregth when it comes down to getting product out there. Everyone can work faster then GM, and it shows. But GM is like a big a$$ steam locamotive...once it gets going, its hard to stop. Lets just hope its pointed in the right direction. After looking at 3 of there new entries, the LaCrosse, Uplander, and Cobalt, it seems that GM is FINALY getting to understand interiors!!

 

Well, for one, Chrysler has confirmed the Charger. But I really don't see where your argument stands with comparing all of GM to one Ford division The Mustang and Camaro have been rivals for decades now, that is why we compare them.

Mercury has a bunch of rebadged Fords in much the same way Pontiac has a bunch of rebadged Chevy's.

Why can't GM come out with a supercar? Ford can

 

I think the last sentence is the most telling, for me personally. Maybe its because my parents bought an '03 Explorer Limited 2 summers ago that has proven to be flawless...their first ever Ford purchase and their first non-GM purchase since 1988. Of the 12 cars they have owned since 1975, 10 were GMs. The thought of buying another brand never really crossed their mind...an inferior trade value on their '01 GP GT by the local Chevy dealer on a TrailBlazer was the ONLY reason they happened to swing through the local Ford dealer.

Or, maybe its because of my banzai test drive in an SRT-4 last month...or my love of big, comfy, V8 vehicles such as a 300C. Or, my love of classy, sporty compact coupes...the Sebring Coupe is quite a nice car. All that I know is I will NEVER cross the line from domestic to import ownership...being an Economics major in college, I'm a firm believer in "taking care of your own." Although, can I even consider Chrysler domestic anymore anyways?

The Mustang looks good to me, the Focus looks great to me as a first new car for my girlfriend (although the Cobalt is #1 on the list), and there are a couple other non-GM choices out there that intrigue me more than they used to.

The moral of my personal story is that, my love of older GM cars such as 3rd gen F bodies and G bodies grows more every day, and my interest in their new offerings continues to decline, at least from a special-interest standpoint. A G6, Cobalt or Malibu make great daily drivers, but thats it. I will probably (thankfully) ALWAYS have 2 new GM daily drivers in my household, but my toys? I guess I'll be fishing eBay for IROCs and Monte SSs for the forseeable future...a GTO is simply too much $$. I can buy a mint IROC AND a mint '87-'88 Monte SS for less than the price of a new GTO!!

Z284ever,
I hope the prognosis is different for me However, I also hope I am not FORCED into the position of only buying an IROC, either!!