Just my opinion and I will probably get bashed for it anyway, but that is NOT a flattering view of the 5th gen to me...

 

Yay! Something new to talk about....(wheres the beating a dead horse smiley?)

Whats the point? This has been discussed over and over again....the car is in production...nothing they can or will do at this point.

 

.......and they say C5's have big butts....... LOL!

 

I believe this exercise is more to "how" things got this heavy.......it's never one thing, it the 100 heavier pieces.

I'm just not sure 'why' things got so big and heavy....

You want a safer car? Learn how to drive. Stop giving licenses to people who can simply pass a written test...make them PROVE they can handle a car in an emergency.

 

 

Once again I must ask that you....

 

I didn't know they made a 1967 Camaro for the Army

Those 22" wheels on the concept make it look bigger next to the one with tiny wheels.

A girl in my town bought one with 18"s and it doesn't look like a big car at all. I think the bigger wheels create the illusion of a bigger car. Hood height is the same, that was a big complaint of Z284ever.

 

FWIW, that's a ZL1.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=109195

 

That only works if you assume that there will be no other idiots on the road.

If you think simply not giving these idiots a license will keep them off the roads, I'd argue that would be wrong for the most part, as they'd drive without a license anyway (and many currently do)....

And even if it there were a way to execute the perfect system, and had a way to identify every idiot before they used their idiocy on the roads, you'd have to assume are not idiots handing out the licenses in the first place.

In other words, I don't trust the other people on the road, therefore I *WANT* all this safety stuff.

 

I still vote we ban "weight" and "HUGE" from the site

 

So you don't think making everyone take a real driving school & test before their allowed to drive 4k pound missles would keep us safer on the road?


Maybe we should all drive one of these then.... LOL!

 

Oh, no I ABSOLUTELY AGREE with that, and support the idea wholeheartedly.

But, not at the expense of removing all the safety equipment from cars... because things still happen, that are out of your control, even if we had a better overall driver on the road.


Either way, they will never, ever remove these types of things from being mandatory on new cars anyway, so..........

 

The firewall on the production car is taller than the concept's though, is it not?

I have several pictures of my 4th Gen sitting next to a 5th Gen SS. Other than being slightly shorter, the 5th Gen appears bigger and bulkier in every way - no small feat considering the complaints some people had about the 4th Gen.

 

Less than that. http://www.ttcautomotive.com/English...cts/tremec.asp

The very first 5th Gen I saw was at a dealer in Denton, TX several weeks ago. Right beside it was a gorgeous 69 Camaro RS. The difference in size was very evident and not insignificant.

 

Pretty close. Rule of thumb is about 1# per inch based on rim size. However, width is the weight adder.

The 245/16s on a 2002 Z28 weigh significantly less than the 275/20s on the tail end of the new SS, or even the 255/19s on the new Mustang.

Which goes back to the point that more performance adds weight.

The T3650 in today's Mustang can handle alot more torque than the old T5, and the T5 was no fragile trannie.

2 points about this.

First, the IRS in the Cobra was actually a relatively light weight system. The subframe assembly was pretty compact and light and was made to bolt in without other changes to the chassis.

Second point is that the IRS system under the Terminator Cobra is heavier than the one that came out in 2000.

But put the industrial strength version from the 2010 SS next to the axle from a 4th gen (or even the new Mustang GT) and the difference will end up being quite a bit more than 90 pounds. But still, 90 pounds is still significant.

Ok... I'm going to have to dig up those weights I lost again.

Which brings us back to the question that comes up every time weight reduction (typically, the new Camaro is the subject that started it): "What is one prepared to give up to get the weight off?

Huge rims, the widest tires (regardless as to if it's needed), power and heated everything, 500 horsepower all add significant weight.

Considering the Camaro gained about 300 pounds, but gained all the things it has in the process from 20 rims, 275 tires, IRS, multiple airbags, huge brakes and items (ie: oil coolers) the last gen Camaro didn't have, and the chassis and components that are far more durable and capable than the 4th gen (and then look around at what all the other similar sized modern RWD cars weigh) and you'd have to give GM a HUGE amount of credit for the Camaro not weighing significantly more.

With all it's expensive and complex weight saving construction, the BMW 6 series weighs roughly the same as a new Camaro.