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Old Apr 11, 2005 | 07:29 PM
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Question Lessons from the past

Why did the Camaro fail? Why should they bring it back?

I can give you business related reasonings but I couldn't give you camaro-specific details. You guys want to tackle this?
Old Apr 11, 2005 | 07:51 PM
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Re: Lessons from the past

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Why did the Camaro fail?
1) little to no advertising
2) none on the dealers lots
3) too much money.
Old Apr 11, 2005 | 08:01 PM
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2) none on the dealers lots
Thats funny, I kept seeing them on dealer lots a year after they stopped making them.
Old Apr 11, 2005 | 08:11 PM
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If I recall--the Quebec plant was set up for 150K F-bodies. Most years were almost less then half that amount.
Old Apr 11, 2005 | 08:16 PM
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Why should they bring it back?
Because we are in the middle of the best era of perfomance cars since the early 70's. The camaro is the one car that stayed true to cheap, affordable, performance through the years. I know the 70's were bad, but at least they didn't make it into a pinto. The car that deserves to be here the most, is sitting on the sidelines instead of leading the league in rushing.
Old Apr 11, 2005 | 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by MarineReconZ28
Because we are in the middle of the best era of perfomance cars since the early 70's. The camaro is the one car that stayed true to cheap, affordable, performance through the years. I know the 70's were bad, but at least they didn't make it into a pinto. The car that deserves to be here the most, is sitting on the sidelines instead of leading the league in rushing.
Actaully I think the Trans Am was the one car that stayed true to peformance. IIRC, the TA never dropped below 200 HP/300TQ until the Turbo 301. Even during the gas crunch, the Pontiac 6.6L 400 was a stout performer when compared to all other offerings, even the Vette.
Old Apr 11, 2005 | 08:33 PM
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Thats funny, I kept seeing them on dealer lots a year after they stopped making them.
in the fall of 2000 i went looking for a new car. in all the GM dealers i went to i seen 1 v6 camaro.
Old Apr 11, 2005 | 09:21 PM
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Despite what anyone thinks , GM did still make a profit on the F-body , even at the low volume they turned . It "failed to sell as well" as the mustang (f-bods were still the #2 best selling sporty coupe ) because it catered to very small audience .

Basically skipping over all the drama circles . GM had no plausible platform to put a re-designed F-body on and the 2002 did not meet certain 2003 side impact safety requirements . It would have taken too much cost investment to meet the 2003 standard with the F chassis . There is your MAIN reason the F-body died in 2002 . All the contract drama , name issues and the rest of the Days of Our Lives were created after Canada was informed the F-body was to be no more after 2002 .

I cant believe I replied to this post This subject such a beaten horse its not even funny anymore . Do a search , youll read for DAYS .

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Old Apr 11, 2005 | 10:24 PM
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Cause everyone thought "Why does Chevy sell 2dr Concordes?"
Old Apr 11, 2005 | 10:27 PM
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Cause everyone thought "Why does Chevy sell 2dr Concordes?"
Why did chrysler make the concord front end look like the camaro
Old Apr 11, 2005 | 10:41 PM
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Form over function. Wrong choice in a segment that is really about affordable sportiness in cars that will probably be driven every day.
Old Apr 12, 2005 | 01:06 AM
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Re: Lessons from the past

Originally Posted by MarineReconZ28
Because we are in the middle of the best era of perfomance cars since the early 70's. The camaro is the one car that stayed true to cheap, affordable, performance through the years. I know the 70's were bad, but at least they didn't make it into a pinto. The car that deserves to be here the most, is sitting on the sidelines instead of leading the league in rushing.
I agree with you completely, but my question was in regards to the reasons it failed.

By the way, are you 'gonzo' ?
Old Apr 12, 2005 | 06:34 AM
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The Camaro failed because it wasn't really a daily driver friendly car. Cheap *** interior, passenger hump, squeeks and rattles, low ride height, heavy *** doors.. all were a contribution to it's demise.
Old Apr 12, 2005 | 08:12 AM
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Why did the Camaro fail? Why should they bring it back?
The Camaro didn't "fail". It's more like GM decided not to renew its' contract.

I'm starting to wonder if they should bring it back.
Old Apr 12, 2005 | 08:43 AM
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10 year model cycles didn't help.

In trucks you can get away with that. In sporty cars, you can't.

With reference to the Camaro being the 2nd best selling sporty coupe, I'll bet ya a dozen doughnuts that the Grand Am 2-dr murdered the F-cars in sales.

It all falls back to the definition of "sporty"... to an enthusiast "sporty" means one thing... to the vast majority of buyers it means another.



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