I absolutely, positively, no doubt about, buy into that theory. The two car's fates are completely linked.

If Ford could market a 4500 lbs, 200 hp Mustang successfully.....GM would be under no pressure to better that by much.

No manufacturer creates great cars, because they love us....they do it in order to be competitive.

 

Who knows...could even be planted disinformation.

 

And just to put a 3800 lbs Mustang GT into perspective...

Crown Victoria weight 3942 lbs.

Lincoln LS weight 3768 lbs.

I'm just about to raise the flag on the claim that a GT will weigh more than a fully loaded luxury sedan and slightly less than a CV.

 

The point is that either manufacturer would not feel compelled to try to constantly top each other and be at each others throats, that is true, but with the Camaro gone, there is no loss of sales at Ford. Also, both cars compete with more than just each other and that is what is most important. You have to make the car appeal to more than just a Camaro or Mustang buyer to keep it sucessful. If this was not the case and there was just the 2 cars then maybe that theory might hold true but it does not. Ford could not market an overweight 200 hp Mustang because people could go somewhere else and buy something better and not just a Camaro.

 

Thank you, I’ve been at class all afternoon and wasn’t able to respond. That’s exactly what I meant.

 

Well, if they used the Lincoln LS platform, but was unable to make it lightweight, then put in a big heavy DOCH engine inside it and a drivetrain to go with it, maybe that number isn't too far fetched.

Anyways, I'd file this all under "rumormill" folder.

 

I think it's a biggie. Just think - once you crack open the ECM, you've probably voided most if not all of your entire powertrain warranty.

I certainly hope most of this isn't true.

 

A good portion of what this guy wrote is pure, unadultered, .

You nailed it before I did.

Think about what he's writing for a second. He's attempting to tell everyone that the Lincoln LS, with it's IRS, pounds upon pounds of insulation & electrronics, electric servo motors, and larger size is lighter than the shorter, live axle, GT which has a fraction of the electronics & motors, let alone a length that's probably at least 10" shorter. He's also trying to say the Crown Vic with it's body on full frame construction & it's massively greater size as the most obvious points, is only about 142 pounds different. Top it off with his obvious anger at the company

I get a feeling because he was fired for being a f*ck-up. He felt it necessary to point out that a woman was in charge of part of the Mustang development, and I feel this woman was in charge of him & he didn't like it. Simply based on what this guy wrote, I'd fire him myself! I know for a fact that the ability to perform certain mods on the new Mustang is built in whereever it's practical and feasible. I also know that Team Mustang has done extensive research, polling owners, reviewing it's history, and has incorperated as much of that input as they could. If there is anything on the new Mustang you can't mod, it's because either the government, modern technology, or company liability lawers won't allow it.

It's pretty pittyful that I know this as an outsider simply by asking, yet this guy supposedly works (or should I say, worked) on the Mustang, and he doesn't even know this. There's alot of things he seeming doesn't know.

He was obviously disgruntled at work, and this is the old "Poison the Well" play. I'm sure there's probably some things in there that are true, but I don't believe it's in the context that he's portraying.

 

I love it when Guy goes off

 

The Lincoln LS isn't exactly built like a bank vault, or even a W124 Mercedes. Consider for a moment that the upcoming Mustang GT will undoubtably have a beefed up rear differential, far bigger tires and wheels (the LS has skimpy rubber by current standards!) and a heavier engine transmission combo. In addition, are we absolutely sure that mainstream Mustangs aren't getting an IRS?

A 3800lb curb weight won't be a shocker - consider how much weight the 2004 F-150 gained.

Also, don't forget that the Crown Vic is a featherweight for its size. Alot of that length belongs to the plastic bumpers. (You could chop over a foot from the length of the Panther platform cars without effecting the packaging.) Oh, and please don't get into the fact that the Vic still has that skimpy little frame.

 

If you want a hotter Mustang, wait for the next Cobra.

Personally, I can't blame Ford for wanting to stop bogus warranty claims. You can "tune" a 2003 Mustang GT to high heaven, but the transmissions just won't stand all that much additional torque.

Why should Ford pay for a buyer's stupidity?

 

3800lbs.?!?
If you believe that, I've got a bridge to sell you!
S.

 

well, in 74, ford did have a less than 200 hp mustang, and pontiac had the super duty 455 so that theory doesnt really hold water

 

I have heard - and even read - lately, (very lately in fact ) that the 05's are doing very well in testing.

I have received more feedback that 275-285 rwhp is commonplace accross the tuners given cars thusfar. There is even a printed reference in the Dec edition of Mustang Monthly.

I have heard no news of "untunable boxes" or no plug and play ports for the EEC. Doesn't mean it may not be so, but I haven't heard anyone griping yet, so I'll ignore that crap for now.

One last thing... NOBODY has said anything about a 3800-lb GT yet, even the guys with them in their shops and on the dyno's.

I'm talking BIG grain of salt here now...

BTW - nice posts guionM and Z284ever. You guys are pretty much spot-on as far as I can tell. Good call.

 

Maybe they don't want to mention those things to already bring a negative light on the car. If it was true, would they already talk about them? Just a thought.