http://forums.bradbarnett.net/index.php?showtopic=1376

 

Grain of salt for now.
I don't think Ford would risk anything "covert" on such an important product.
Besides, they are already rolling Pre-prod units to aftermaket shops...

 

That's a shame for the new GT. Surely Ford is in touch with their enthusiasts (that's all we ever hear around here, why can't GM listen to their supporters like Ford does), so the amount of effort to modify torque/ECM seems questionable. Even if Ford's strategy was for customers to buy add-on performance parts from them, unless the dealer is installing them that problem will persist.

But 300hp in 3800lb car...the author was correct that a new Camaro SS will have it for breakfast. Not to mention a lot of Camaros that have been on the streets for about a decade.

 

Ouch! If that is true then the GT will not be any faster than the current one I would bet. The weight issue was brought up before and the general opinion was that it would weigh more but 3800 lbs, wow, that is really over weight. The weight issue will also hurt all of the other cars on the platform seing as the GT was always the lightest.

 

I've hard the 05 GT to be 320hp but the weight was high, in the 3600 range. Thats a far cry for this info and who knows how legit any of this is. But good for debate.

As for the ECM thats the first I've heard of it. It would be interesting if Ford made modding something that has to be ok'd by the dealer. Meaning you'd have to have your PCM flashed in order to even drive the car if modded seems a bit too over protective. I know they have been real tight on the 03-04 Cobra and modding. It could get a lot worse.

 

Not sure if I believe any of this. The new Stang doesn't look to be a feather-weight by any means, but 3800 is pretty heafty. And I though the GTO was a bit on the heavy side...

If the whole thing about the ECM is true, its probably in response to any potential warranty claim issues.

 

If this is all true....

The ECM issue is probably not a biggie. It won't take the aftermarket too long to crack the code.

But a GT at 3800 lbs......holy moley!

I remember that heads rolled at Ford after the MN12 came in too heavy....wonder what might happen here?

 

My original estimate for weight was 3750 lbs!!

 

Just like posted in that original thread: sounds like a disgruntled employee to me.

Maybe some of the things he is telling have some truth behind them, maybe not, but I'd definetely take all of them with a grain of salt.

Who knows, he might be exaggerating just to stir the pot for nothing.

Also, why does it say at the bottom part that

when he is spewing out all that info already earlier??? Hypothetical, or not... Or is that a comment from somebody else...? Confused:

Anyway... We'll know for sure shortly, I guess...

TS

 

If the ECM thing is true, it's probably a function of the new OBD III emission regs that's to be released soon.

If it is part of OBD III, then every manufacturer will have to install this feature on every car.

 

I don’t know what to think. I hope for the Camaro’s sake that the new mustang doesn’t have its arms tied behind its back. GM is only going to do enough to make sure they beat the Stang. In my opinion if the Stang isn’t doing all that hot it wont be good for the Camaro.

I don’t think we should read too much into this. That guy was obviously bitter towards Ford for being fired by upper management. Its not like he’s going to get fired and say nice things. So yeah, what ProudPony said, “take this with a grain of salt”. I doubt Ford would put so much into a new Mustang only to make it a flop to the performance world. Lets just wait and see.

 

Looks like I won't have to be worried about new GTs with that heavy of a weight.

 

What makes you think that GM will do the bare minimum to beat the Mustang? This certainly was not true for the 4th gen. I would think that most of what the Camaro will have mechanically has already been determined and will especially by the time the Mustang comes out so I think that is a non-factor. I never bought into the theory that the fate of the Camaro depends on the Mustang or vice-versa.

Also, why would this guy make this stuff up? What does he have to gain? It will not hurt Ford if he is giving false info because it will be proven wrong once the car is ready to be sold to the public. Also, it doesn't sound like something someone would just pull out of thier ***, speaking mostly about the ECM stuff. Do you think at Detroit they will release all the specs including weight?

 

If all is true, than that's not good.

Guess we'll find out sooner or later.

 

GM, OBII has had Torque Management built into thier programming for a few years now.....LS1 edit guys can get rid of it, for the most part.

But what does no chip port mean?!? I guess they no longer use a replaceable chip? GM hasn't used chips since 1993.....

People will figure it out soon enough.