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Old Jul 14, 2009 | 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by notgetleft
Neat idea, except even a 32yo GM fan like me would have serious reservations about a stodgy name like caprice. I can't imagine someone whose first preference is for eurotrash even giving a caprice a second thought. Image is EVERYTHING in the sports sedan crowd, otherwise they'd be buying camrys.
I hear ya, but I don't really know what the solution is there. More important to me than the name, is the ability to get a G8 GT compatible car with a manual tranny and just maybe the SS designation - I could live with a Caprice with SS tags. I'm not even talking SS-V here, just SS.

It would also be nice if they opened up Holden's optional equipment a little bit - for example, it would be nice to be able to colour code an interior with more than just black or black with red inserts which was limited to black or red exterior paint schemes (G8, at least in Canada).
Old Jul 14, 2009 | 03:21 PM
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Interesting how opinion diverges so much on the name.

I really don't care what they call it, but I think GM needs it. Just recently having bought a G8, I can confirm that there was nothing else in the GM stable that would have gotten my money. I likely would have bought a G37 instead, though perhaps a 2004-5 330i (last really good looking 3-series).
Old Jul 14, 2009 | 07:50 PM
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I'm hoping there's a manual trans offered somewhere in the lineup...
PLEASE!!! On the V6 and base V8!
Old Jul 14, 2009 | 08:41 PM
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please!!! On the v6 and base v8!
i'll second that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Old Jul 14, 2009 | 09:32 PM
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I would actually want to buy a sedan if it looked like that!
Me too. This car looks awesome and I could actually carry a few clients around -- in style and comfort no less! I actually think that's a 4-door I could get excited about. Build it please.
Old Jul 14, 2009 | 10:47 PM
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I have no problem with the Caprice name, in fact I was 24 years old back in 1997 when I bought a Caprice LS with a LT1. I couldn't afford a Impala SS back then so I got the next best thing. Of course the first thing I did was to buy a Impala SS grill, spoiler, wheels and Caprice SS spript on the rear fenders. The Caprice LT1 was the ultimate sleeper from the 90s.
Old Jul 15, 2009 | 09:22 AM
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http://www.autoblog.com/2009/07/15/f...as-police-app/
Ever since General Motors announced this spring that it was killing the Pontiac brand as part of its restructuring, fans of the Holden-developed G8 sedan have been clamoring to save it as a Chevrolet. After company officials repeatedly said over the past two months that no such thing would happen, Bob Lutz re-lit the fire last week in one of his first pronouncements after un-retiring. Lutz proclaimed that the G8 would indeed become a new Chevrolet Caprice.

During our first drive of the new Buick LaCrosse this week, we had the opportunity on one of the legs to ride with GM CEO Fritz Henderson, and we pressed him for more details on the Caprice plan. Unfortunately it turns out Henderson brought his portable fire extinguisher with him, telling us:

We've been looking at it for police applications. As for whether or not it's broader than police applications, I am not a believer in re-branding and re-badging. We've been talking about in terms of potential police applications and we'll leave it at that."

Henderson also threw a soaking wet blanket on the idea of adding production to Oshawa alongside the Camaro, saying that the cars will continue to be sourced from Australia. So, for the moment, it looks like Zeta sedan fans will probably have to be content with taking a Blues Brothers approach to the problem: Buying their next car as a decommissioned black-and-white.
Old Jul 15, 2009 | 01:55 PM
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This article is from April...just showing how far along this car should be.....btw is Ford going to offer anything else? Such as the Falcon? I find it hard to believe they would give up 50-60k sales a year.....



http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...2575A6001F0097
UP TO 40,000 Chevrolet-badged Commodore police vehicles could be exported to the US annually in a deal that would eclipse GM Holden’s current North American export program, which was axed along with the Pontiac brand by General Motors last night.

GoAuto has learned that a plan to supply hi-tech Australian-made patrol cars to US law enforcement agencies – led by the Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) – could be joined by lucrative police vehicle exports to Canada, the UK and the Middle East.

And while the prospects of reviving plans to sell the Holden Ute in the US as a GMC continue to exist, it is understood the now-defunct Commodore-based Pontiac G8 has a good chance of morphing into a full-time Chevrolet model for US public consumption.

In an ironic twist, if green-lighted, the police project could see Holden’s Commodore effectively replace Ford’s aged Crown Victoria as the vehicle of choice for many US police departments, which require large, V8-powered rear-drive sedans.

The Crown Victoria, which was discontinued from public sale in 2008 and will be phased out of production for US fleet customers next year, has long been touted as Ford Australia’s most obvious US export opportunity for the Falcon.

Some US police departments have already adopted Dodge’s new Charger, but the Crown Victoria still attracts 60,000 annual sales for Ford, representing a potentially massive export opportunity for Holden.

Officially, Holden remains cautious about spruiking the prospects of sending Commodores to the US as part of a police vehicle export program, but national media relations manager Scott Whiffin admitted to GoAuto this week that a Pontiac G8-based LAPD prototype produced by Port Melbourne-based National Safety Agency (NSA) has “enormous” potential.

“That’s certainly something that is being looked at very closely,” Mr Whiffin revealed. “We are looking at all opportunities.

“Holden has a really good reputation for seeking out opportunities in the marketplace and benefiting from them, and our work starts now in terms of finding new opportunities for this vehicle.

“The law enforcement opportunity is one and certainly we’re looking at that without going too far too fast.”

NSA operations director Des Bahr, who will next week present his company’s LAPD Prototype Vehicle concept to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, was more forthcoming about the project, which has also received interest from law enforcement groups in the UK, Middle East and Asia.

The left-hand drive Pontiac police car, which was jointly developed by the NSA and the LAPD – which is believed to be highly enthusiastic about the project – was launched by the LAPD’s deputy chief Charles Beck at the 2009 APCO Australasia Conference & Exhibition, held at the Australian Technology Park in Sydney over March 2-4.

Mr Bahr said his company was in talks with nine separate US law enforcement jurisdictions, which together represent a fleet of up to 40,000 vehicles a year.
“The potential is enormous, given that we’ve got nine jurisdictions interested and even that alone is tens of thousands of cars,” Mr Bahr told GoAuto this week. “They are interested in the project to determine whether this, which could be deemed as a replacement for the Crown Victoria, is suitable for their environment.

“We’re talking in the vicinity of 30,000 to 40,000 cars annually or at least every couple of years based on the kilometres they do.

“We’re only in the early stages, but apart from the US there has been interest in the UK and Canada. We’re due to fly to the US next week to present to some interested groups in Canada, so it’s gaining a lot of momentum over there.”

Mr Bahr said interest in the vehicle had also come from the Middle East as late as last week.

“That’s in the early stages of understanding what we’re doing with the project to determine whether the Asia region could piggyback off that as well, so there’s literally huge potential,” he said.

Mr Bahr said two examples of the LAPD Pontiac G8 would be sent to the US for testing by mid-year.

Mr Bahr said that while he was awaiting official confirmation from Holden in relation to how the project could be affected by GM’s latest restructuring announcement, the LAPD project vehicle’s presentation to law enforcement groups globally would not be affected.

“This is an NSA project,” he said. “We’ve just chosen the GM platform to display what we’re producing at our end, so there are a couple of components: the car itself as a patrol vehicle and an extension of that is the integrated technology that we’re proposing to put into the vehicle.

“We’ve chosen the G8 platform on which to build the vehicle given that a lot of the earlier research was done on the Commodore platform.

“It was easy to adopt that research and technology onto the same car which is accepted in the US market, so it’s through a working relationship we have with LAPD and we brought GM into that to participate.”

He said the vehicle could be modified locally by Australian suppliers for export as a turn-key product.

“We have arrangements with other organisations that do (have the ability to series produce the LAPD prototype), but our involvement would be for the installation and fit-out of what we call the turn-key technology for that vehicle,” said Mr Bahr.

“At this stage it’s a concept to be sent to the US for acceptance or otherwise for suitability, but we have been working with LAPD for the last few years, sharing information on the research we have been doing. So it’s about adopting integrated solutions that they’re already familiar with on a new platform.

“We are looking forward to developing this vehicle with the LAPD and Australian industry. This project will break down the barriers between agencies worldwide, leading to a common platform to provide maximum benefit to those who are charged with protecting our communities.”

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Old Jul 15, 2009 | 09:17 PM
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So, given Henderson's comments about the Caprice being a police only prospect and Lutz working for him and reserving final decisions himself, does this now mean the dream of a resurrection of the G8 as a Chevy is dead now? And this thread was only six pages long before the bubble got burst.
Old Jul 16, 2009 | 07:40 AM
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I believe Lutz will get his way, at least I hope.
Old Jul 16, 2009 | 07:42 AM
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I believe Lutz will get his way, at least I hope.
Me too.....
Old Jul 16, 2009 | 12:16 PM
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GM would have to be brain-dead not to let Lutz have his way on this.
Old Jul 16, 2009 | 07:29 PM
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http://fastlane.gmblogs.com/archives...%e2%80%a6.html

Commodore as a Chevy is dead.
Theres the link. Read and weep.
Old Jul 17, 2009 | 02:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Geoff Chadwick
http://fastlane.gmblogs.com/archives...%e2%80%a6.html

Commodore as a Chevy is dead.
Theres the link. Read and weep.
Hard to be more clear than that.

Get your G8s while you can! Those GXPs are great cars.
Old Jul 17, 2009 | 06:52 PM
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so.... reading between the lines hints it could maybe a Cadillac?


By Bob Lutz
GM Vice Chairman

OK, I have some late-breaking news for you from the world of GM, where things are indeed moving quickly, and what I’m about to say is proof.

In fact, we’re moving so fast, we’re going back in time to, oh, about four or five days ago, when the Pontiac G8 was going away and was not going to become a new Chevrolet Caprice.

And therein lies the news: The G8 will not be a Caprice after all. I’d mentioned it, and said we were studying it, giving it a serious look, because a car like the G8 was just too good to waste.

That’s all still true. But I have to say that, with my new “marketing” hat on, upon further review and careful study, we simply cannot make a business case for such a program. Not in today’s market, in this economy, and with fuel regulations what they are and will be.

I know that we’ll get a lot of complaints from G8 lovers, because I’m one of them. And the product guy in me is complaining as loudly as anyone. But the marketing guy says there’s no case. With budgets being what they are for the time being, the resources must be allocated elsewhere.

In no way, and this is very important, in no way does this mean we are backing away from performance, or backing away from rear-wheel drive. Look no further for proof than the Corvette, the Camaro, the CTS or many other present and future Cadillacs. We have a strong lineup of RWD vehicles already and we will continue to have it.

And we have a tremendous RWD team in Australia that gave us the beloved G8, a team that we will tap into at some point again in the future for its expertise and sheet metal. Just not right now.
I know, it is probably wishful thinking...



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